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I work in the area of mental health, with people from all walks, from "normal" to drug addicts, violent criminals and sexual perpetrators. I think it has given me a fairly unique perspective and in order to understand and work with these people I have come to the idea that there is no good/bad or right/wrong but more a matter of works/doesn't work, not just in the context of the individual but for the broader family and community. I am continually struck by how the worst perpetrator is so similar to the most gentle of us and I often feel how I could be in the same boat as them if I had the same influence on my choices as they. No one starts out in life intending to become a murderer or drug addict. It just appears to be a long series of choices, each of which is influenced by other history or circumstances. This viewpoint does NOT make me more tolerant as I would still execute a dangerous animal regardless of what caused it to become dangerous, but it does give me a different understanding. I have come to the conclusion that all men are pretty much the same and all women are pretty much the same, but you're very different from us 🙂. It also helps me work with these people as, since we can't shoot them, (at least in Australia, I know you Americans are different) we should be doing our best to change them.

Cyklone 7 Feb 26
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Seems a very black and white, reductionist perspective to say all women are the same and all men are the same and the two are different from one another. Completely ignores issues of race, gender, sexual orientation, class, nationality, age, etc. etc. from the equation. I would need you to spell out in what ways women are pretty much the same and men are pretty much the same. Sounds like confirmation bias surrounding gender roles/norms to me. Do you think women are more emotional and men more logical, for example??

Yes it is reductionist and it does ignore race, class, gender orientation and nationality. That is the whole point and if you need me to spell out the details then I'm afraid you're missing it. Please read it again, carefully.

@Cyklone Usually when someone asks you to explain your point it is not because they rushed through your writing, it is because they literally did not understand the broader point you were trying to make. The helpful thing to do would be to spell it out concisely, not tell someone to re-read.

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I worked in the correctional system( medical department) for a while, the first one was a prison slash psychiatric facility. They had six psychiatrist on staff and saw this. They got intensive therapy for years. Later I worked at the maximum security penitentiary that had death row. The number of prisoners with moderate to severe mental illness would shock you. The psychotic were more treatable than the sociopaths and scarier than the truly psychotic , at least they could be treated effectively. Sociopathic people will truly kill again be it staff or other prisoners.

bobwjr Level 10 Feb 26, 2020

Psychotic and psychopathic are very different but yes, sociopathic are very difficult. They are the ones that are made by trauma and abuse and they can be disorganised and impulsive. The best treatment here is for society to not make them in the first place.

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I am in total agreement with your post. Holding hatred or negative judgments in your mind brings you pain and sorrow but has no effect on anyone else. I suspect that you are very good at your work.

It is true—we are all about the same from a higher perspective, and in fact our higher selves might actually BE the same—extensions of universal consciousness.

Being serene and loving inside is actually an asset when dealing with dangerous people. The police, for example, do not become angry when they hear of a crime in progress. They leap into action out of duty.

Thank you

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Isn't it an established fact that sociopaths/psychopaths are basically wired up differently from the rest of us, most likely due to genetic effects.

Psychopaths seem to be the case of "dangerous animal" - but sociopaths... perhaps if we were all trained to recognize them and treated their behavior as a condition so could integrate them. Unfortunately it seems like there are way to many people just too gullible to deal with them in a safe way.

Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made. Either can learn that their behaviour isn't working for them and work towards better ways of functioning. Psychopaths are quite common and can easily function in their best interests. You lot should know, you elected one. As stated though, we can't eliminate them or imprison them forever so we have to find ways of dealing with them.

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I think working to accommodate differences and weaknesses that people may have into so society would go along way to keeping people from falling into wrong paths in the first place.

I work in long term care and rehabilitation (of elderly as opposed to drugs). The amount of misunderstanding, intolerance, and hpstility toward people who are clearly just anxious or struggling mentally is profound to me. It shows itself in small and large ways nearly every day.

It is obviously present in all areas of society but it seems particularly gross to me in the context of healthcare workers with complete control over the lives of people who can't leave. It will be the end of this job for me sooner or later.

As a neurodiverse person myself this is distressing beyond belief.

I've had fairly limited access to healthcare for most of my life but when I have tried to get mental help it has been brushed off and disregarded for the most part. Ive seen the stigma involved at the hospital where I work when people need help (non criminals, usually suicide attempts or drug overdoses or people who have mentioned the word suicide and have been "petitioned and certed" ). The disregard for their realities or hardships and the loss of their rights. As a low income single parent I hesitate to delve into my issues with any healthcare provider at this point because when I do It always begins a bit like an examination of my parenting. I know the system has a history of not being fair to people like me once boxes start being checked..

Anyway that went in a different direction than intended but I can relate to alot of your sentiment. There isnt much difference in me as someone else who may be in a place exposed to drugs or more prone to violence or sexually divergent due to circumstances and small choices and experiences leading to where they are. It upsets me that the system available for them is the same one I'm seeing and contemplating which seems to be woefully misguided and completely inadequate.

I'm in the USA not Australia but I'm pretty sure that misguided and or inadequate mental healthcare is not unique to nations. As well as societal stigmas.

MsAl Level 8 Feb 26, 2020

I am sorry there is so little support for you. We have state subsidised psychological treatment which is pretty comprehensive. Reading your profile, I love that you appreciate your uniqueness.

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