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It’s about the long term...

skado 9 Apr 10
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The sad truth is that the Dem party doesn't really care about winning prez elections near as much as they care about stopping progressive candidates from ever becoming prez. The only thing that would ever really move the Dem Party to the left would be a progressive or socialist running third party or as an independent and getting 20% or more of the vote. That sort of thing was happening about a hundred years ago, when socialist candidates were getting tens of millions of votes in each prez election. That, and the Great Depression, is why FDR and the Dem Party moved way to the left in 1932, because they were afraid a socialist might become prez in that election or the next if FDR didn't pass socialist programs.

The Dem centrists either don't know the real history or choose to ignore it.

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I just heard that Biden is promising to lower the age for Medicare by 5 years and to relieve some student debt.

That's good news but nothing close to far enough to get us onboard. If we except the crumbs that they offer us after screwing us during the primary each election cycle, the window continues to drift right, as this graphic demonstrates. Better to vote for the best candidate and demonstrate to the party that blind loyalty will not be given.

I do hope Biden is able to win because he will of course be the lesser evil, but I won't be part of it.

Those crumbs offered to progressives aren't even real. If Biden or any other centrist corporate Dem who replaces him were to somehow get elected in Nov., you could bet the house on it that none of Bernie's policies or these crumbs would be pushed by the Dem prez winner. Remember how Obama promised cardcheck for union members? He didn't even push for that, a very simple bill that would have really helped unions by making organizing so much easier, even tho he had a supermajority when he was elected. Guess he changed his mind when the Repubs didn't offer any bipartisan support, not that he needed it. No, the real reason was that he was already bought by big business even tho he lied during the campaign about how he was going to support unions and walk picket lines with them. Barry, the liar..

Intelligent Bernie supporters won't take this fake bait from Biden..

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Where’d the left go?
Eh, pay no attention to the left. They’ll vote Blue no matter who.

So where’d the center go?
It’s over there next to the right.

Oh. So how do we go lefter instead of righter?
Stop voting for the lesser of two evils.

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I THINK that the chart above and the inserted sentence here are honest, and I'd rather not have people tell me when I cannot say something that is honest. I will vote for Biden in absence of an honestly good candidate, but I do not consider having to do that a freedom or an example of democracy.

If my state was as blue as yours, the decision would be harder for me, but, as I see it, democracy can still work if we refuse to be chased from our own nest by threats of what might happen if we don't fall in line. I might be wrong about this, but nobody, so far, has shown me a convincing argument to the contrary.

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Ranked-choice voting would eliminate having to vote for the lesser evil, but the two major parties in the US would never allow it to happen in any widespread manner.

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IMHO, your Bernie-love and Biden-hate is getting (way too) old.

I don't hate anybody. I'm just doing what we all do here - expressing an opinion. Mine's not any older than anybody else's. Do you like free speech? Or do you think people who disagree with you should be silenced?

@skado . . . I gave my opinion. I rarely use the word 'hate' -- should not have used it there.

There's a lot to love about Sanders and there's a lot to hate about Biden.

If the expression of positivity toward the lovable one and criticism for the other is already old to you, it will become ancient before long because there will be quite a bit of it as this election progresses.

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Which is why I will not be shamed by centrist Dems into voting Blue this fall. They need to finally give progressives a chance to win the White House with one of their own. We've only been waiting since 1972...

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