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What are your thoughts on abortion? Should there be a cut-off day to abort a fetus? Should there be stipulations? Should abortion be illegal?

Grecio 7 Aug 15
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Coming to this a little late!
2 irrefutable facts:

  1. No one likes abortion
  2. Abortion isn't the problem

There are three things that need to be in place:

  1. Acceptance. Of the hardwired urge to propagate the species (minimum of 6000 yrs 🙂 )
  2. Education. Of all the possible consequences of #1
  3. Access To all necessary services

If you look at 1,2,3 as a three-legged stool, abortion is like the old family bible that you use to prop up one leg, when the end gets broken off.

If, after all this is in place, it is necessary, It is a matter between the woman and her medical provider.
Certainly not a middle aged (white) man in a suit (that would be me - actually rarely bother with the suit these days!!).

All good points. So why if they are so against abortion do the anti-abortion people fail take any of the steps that would minimize it?

  • Because they are just bad at reason, logic, and statistics.
  • Or because they are actually pro-forced birth?

I remain convinced it is the latter because it fits in with "Acceptance. Of the hardwired urge to propagate". Religious rules are just there to propagate the meme, above all others. It's a simple numbers game of most viral propagator wins.

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"Should there be a cut-off day to abort a fetus"

You really could have phrased that better

Point taken.

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I don't see a problem with using stem cells from an aborted fetus for medical research, but I am pretty sure there is a moratorium on that in the USA.
In NYC, can a woman abort a baby after it is born? I dunno?

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My thoughts are, I plan to Mind My Own Business & so should you! Period!

IMO, such a divisive issue (not exclusively in the US) leads to 'discussions/POV' from all. I don't expect/ask anything different here.

@FearlessFly Minding One's Own Business would solve a bunch of problems, including "divisiveness" ".....

@AnneWimsey . . . hmmm, No one is required to engage. You/anyone can choose otherwise. IMO, the opportunity for all is a positive.

If we can't/don't engage with different POV, I don't think avoidance SOLVES/changes anything (individually perhaps, but not generally), especially widespread/abundant divisiveness.

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I don't think it is a coincidence that this was posted it the R&S group. 😛

For those who might say (or already have) 'between woman and doctor' . . .

(repeating some of my responses from below)

Given that abortion and religion are inextricably linked in the US, I would posit that logic is likely a 'dream'.

Is anyone advocating that abortion as a primary method of 'birth-control' is morally acceptable ? to whom ?

Who can/should represent the 'interests' of the not-yet-born ?

What prospect is there for any "coming together" on this highly divisive subject other than by "the will of the people" -- congress.

IMO, Roe v Wade (although reasonable, longstanding, and concise) was decided on the basis that SCOTUS came to the conclusion that (at the time, perhaps still) congress could/would not resolve the issue.

The lines between "isn't a person" and "killing of a baby" are far from b/w, and who draws those lines ?

Are there to be no limits to abortion, morally or otherwise ? If only congress can provide the will of the people, what politician would get elected espousing that position ?

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The question of whether abortion should be legal or not never came up until the mid-twentieth century. That's when someone discovered they could make money by opposing the advance of women's rights.

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Abortion is a medical procedure. It should be between a woman and her doctor. Contraception is also a medical procedure that should only be between a woman and her doctor.

When you allow the state to intervene remember they can also make you have one like they did in China for years.

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Yes, abortion should be legal.

The US has created a catch-22 situation that's untenable for many: they want to make abortion illegal, yet they also make it difficult and expensive for women to obtain birth control, while also withholding sex education information.

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I think the 75th trimester is a good cutoff.

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  1. As an adult they get to decide.
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. . . safe, legal, rare

If they are morally and legally acceptable, and safe, then why should they be rare?

@AmyTheBruce Are there to be no limits to abortion, morally or otherwise ? What politician would get elected espousing that position ?

Abortion as a primary method of 'birth-control' -- morally acceptable to whom ?

@FearlessFly Most of us favor some limits. Even I am a little uncomfortable with the idea of abortion as a primary method of birth control.

But, I have to ask myself, from what does that discomfort stem? And does it really make sense?

If the fetus really isn't a person, then what logical objection could there be to abortion as a primary method of birth control? (We are assuming, for the sake of argument, that it is just as safe as any other method.) It should be the same, morally, as having a cancerous mole removed.

If, on the other hand, abortion really is the killing of a baby, then why should it be legal at all?

@AmyTheBruce . . . safer than birth, actually . . .

The lines between "isn't a person" and "killing of a baby" are far from b/w, and who draws those lines ?

Isn't that where the 'discomfort' stems-from ?

Given that abortion and religion are inextricably linked in the US, I would posit that logic is likely a 'dream'. 😛

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Never illegal, when depends on medical opinion covering fetus and mothers health. Like in the case of encephalopathy no brain no chance of survival .

bobwjr Level 10 Aug 15, 2020
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Abortion should never be illegal...in fact it should be purely a medical matter not a legal one. The mother in consultation with her doctor should be the only person involved, certainly not the state. Late terminations are very rare and are usually due to reasons to do with abnormalities with the foetus. Women do not take decisions to abort lightly and the assumption that it’s capricious and irresponsible of them shows complete lacking in understanding of the emotional toll making such a decision takes.

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Pro choice all the way. As I look at what is happening in this country, I can honestly say there have not been nearly enough abortions.

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This is a difficult question for me. I am not pro-life, but I don't think a woman should be able to abort right up until the child is being born. I dunno

Late-term abortion is a difficult question for me, too, but suppose that the fetus was diagnosed with some horrible, painful condition? Might abortion - or even infanticide - be the kinder choice in that situation?

@AmyTheBruce Well said.

This question indicates you think it would not be unusual for a woman to decide at the 9th month she doesn't want a child so she would just abort it. Choice means simply to let the woman and her doctor decide what is best in each situation. Late term abortions are very rare and I've never heard of one that was just because the woman decided she did not want to be pregnant. They're crazy people out there of both sexes but Ihave actually never heard of someone who just did it after the fetus is viable because they decided they didn't want a kid

@Lorajay Personally, I think in the current culture and climate, it goes on every day. Circumstances change sometimes while the mother is pregnant, even up to the last minute. I think some women and men, change their minds about being burdened with rearing a child.

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