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Sexual harassment seems to be dominating the news, but what exactly is sexual harassment? Certainly, any unwanted touching is sexual harassment. All those pig-politicians, sorry pigs, who are guilty should be kicked out of office. They are unbelievably disgusting.
But, what does sexual harassment entail? I'll sight two examples. First, I once worked in a department where on of the girls would sit with the boys during break time. One time a do-nut and some crumbs fell on her chest. She nonchalantly began brushing them off. One of the guys said to her: "That's okay, I'll do that for you. Is that verbal sexual harassment? I'm sure in this present environment that would be considered sexual harassment.
Second, I've been to many gyms that had coed running tracks. What if a man is running behind an attractive woman, and as he passes her by, pats her on the behind and says: "Come on, you can run faster than that"? She reports him to the manager and he's kicked out.
Now, reverse the situation. The same running tract, but this time the attractive woman, and I think all women are attractive) passes by a man, pats him on the bottom and says: "Come on, you can run faster than that"? This man goes to the manager and says: "See that attractive woman over there she patted me on the bottom." He replies: "Lucky you."
These are difficult times for everyone.

Tomm 5 Nov 26
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It's not always having sexual advances made against the victim. At my job, I have seen a woman written up for having a sexy firefighters calendar in her office. Men working nearby said it constituted a hostile environment for them. Also, I had a female collague and her good friend male colleague written up for semisexual verbage that they tossed at each other in a joking way. A bystander charged that they were making her uncomfortable, despite her not having any direct involvement. I turn my sexual side completely off at work. It's the only safe thing to do.

Zster Level 8 Nov 26, 2017

What, to me, makes the subject of sexual harassment is the desire to make both sexes equal, in this matter. In other words, all sexual harassment is wrong, regardless of gender. That's a true statement. However, should the consequences always be the same"|?
Example: a male high school teacher has sex with a sixteen year-old female student. If I'm on the jury, I want him to get the severest sentence the law allows, at least, years in jail. However, if a female teacher has sex with a sixteen year-old male student, I don't feel the same. The female teacher should be barred from ever teaching again, but I couldn't vote to put her in prison for any serious length of time.
i's sorry, but boys and girls are reared differently. Remember when the so-called equal rights amendment was being passed by state after state. It was finally defeated when the fathers of girls realized that if it passed, there girls would be subject to the draft. I could never accept my daughter being involuntarily drafted into the military.
I would never want a woman mistreated in any way. Still, it seems that sexual harassment is both objective and subjective.

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Here's my view on this subject:

So long as what goes on involves two consenting adults, it's nobody elses business.

Let's say for example you're someone who happens to like picking up midget hookers from a go-go bar somewhere in Bangkok.

Nobody else's business.

Converseley, let's say you're someone who likes to sneak up uninvited on the street behind people who are under five feet tall and slap them in the ass to get your sexual jollies.

Then we have an issue.

Unless kidnapping is involved, then it would not constitute trafficking. Most men and women in places like SE Asia and the Caribbean voluntarily become involved in prostitution because it is the only option available to them to provide a better life for themselves and their families.

When faced with the choice between being hopelessly poor and living in a scorpion and centipede infested hut as opposed to making the kind of money in one night which most people in third world countries make in a whole month, prostitution becomes a very tempting road out of poverty.

The one exception I can think of would be India and some countries in the middle east where the authorities have made absolutely no attempt to regulate the industry. Those places are an absolute nightmare for men and women who are prostitutes.

Other than that, most involintary human trafficking occurs in countries like the United States where prostitution (with the exception of certain cities in Nevada), is illegal and run below board by gangs and the mafia.

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It is the persistent "unwanted" sexual attention that causes the receiver to change normal behavior. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault.

If the attention is unwanted then the consequence should be the same for male and female.

Your example of a man being touched and not having his complaint taken seriously should result in a police report.

Verbal harassment is a problem when it is unwanted and it persists.

Betty Level 8 Nov 26, 2017

Thank you for responding to my post. I find the subject of sexual harassment very difficult. You said: "that if the attention is unwanted then the consequences should be the same for male and female".
Seems logical to me, but what if a man or a woman doesn't believe that their expressions are unwanted? So, if it only happens one time does that become "allowed" sexual harassment? But, if this same action happens more than once, then, as I understand it, it becomes punishable sexual harassment. That seems to make sense, but it's still giving someone "a get of jail" pass.

@Tomm
If the harasser is unable to interpret facial expressions and body language that is not the fault of the harassed. A complaint should be made.

Often when a "one" time comment is made and the receiver objects then it is a lesson learned. No complaint is necessary as the problem has been solved.

Life is a learning experience. Not every unfortunate expression is intended to cause harm. If a lesson can be learned without added humiliation then it is a lesson "well" learned.

It is the "persistence" of unwanted sexual comments and innuendo that warrant punishment. 🙂

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Sexual harassment = An unwelcome sexual advance. Up to the receiver to determine.

Marz Level 7 Nov 26, 2017
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all the examples cited describe disrespect of personal boundaries from both sides. If you know a person well then things could be seen differently.THe political and Hollywood arena are getting the most exposure right now. These transgressions happen in all areas .
I think some stupid errors are being thrown in the same bucket as predatory behavior which is wrong. I don't think everyone that has an accusation made toward them need be fired. I do wish those that are truly sorry use their experience in an educational process for themselves and the public. THose that have behaved in a criminal manner need to be handled in that fashion

Thank you for responding to my post. You said something interesting, and something I certainly agree with. You said: If you know a person well then things could be seen differently. Thus, there must something like agreeable sexual harassment. I've been involved with quite a few wonderful women in my life, and I know that I've made my share of sexual innuendos, with those women, and they made some with me. If I didn't have a relationship with those women, my actions might certainly considered a form of sexual harassment, but in a committed relationship they're just inter-sex playfulness. Unfortunately, it appears, to me, that a lot of men find it difficult to see the difference between women in general, and women they've been in a relationship with.

Tomm I don't think I would say agreeable sexual harassment. SImilar to what you said later I would say intersex playfulness can occur when there is some relationship or trust already in place. I was listening to a radio show where a woman interviewed men about something like this. He thought it was great fun to slap one woman in a unknown group on the ass, felt she would be complimented and that she would appreciate it. He could never accept another point of view about that like it might be frightening for one and kept insisting it was the woman misunderstanding the intention that was the problem. Probaby th postition of a lot of men

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