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I am a former atheist, but after using psychedelics I have come to believe there is some form of energy that exists responsible for our earthly guidance. I don’t necessarily think there is one god, but an energy that manifests itself into our true desires. I have actually come into contact with beings on psychedelic compounds, and although it sounds like drugged up hippie mania, these experiences seemed much more real than just hallucinations. What do you guys think?


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I have never had an experience as you described, but I too believe there is an 'energy field,' that sustains life! It was Einstine, who proved that all forms of life, vibrate at different frequency! So we must be supported by some kind of energy! But, you must believe what you can believe...


You're on the wrong forum. You need to find one with a credulous, gullible and, preferably, solvent readership and start your own religion by peddling your experiences to them.

Gareth Level 7 Apr 10, 2018

Fab answer.

@GoldenDoll You're kind πŸ™‚


Shite, you really came to the wrong place!


If the only times you have these experiences are when you're tripping, then you might want to think about that for a minute.


You need some science in your life. Neuroscience, to be specific. It wouldn't hurt to brush up on physics, either. "Energy", as you're using the word, has no relationship whatsoever to what it actually means.

Get educated, friend. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Torq Level 5 Apr 10, 2018

You just said my new favorite sentence.
"You need some science in your life."
Ha! Thank you.

I'm glad you liked it, @Donotbelieve, you are most welcome.
Here's a NDT meme as a bonus. : )


I think the fact that you used hallucinogenic drugs should be enough for you to not believe that what you saw was real.


You are as high as a bat brother ... It's useful no doubt to use psycedilcs .. There are however two ways .. .. Micro dosing (just like it says) ... A tiny dose eveyday so small it could never get you high. That can have very positive effects.. I am not saying detaching from reality by taking more is not useful but it's a tool and nothing more. Nothing you feel or see there is more valid then when you are "straight".

The definition of the state hallucinogens put you in is, "PERCIEVED SENSORY ENHANCEMENT WITH SENSORY DEPRIVATION" .... So you are essentially delusional and as long as you can remember that you are okay. It is a great way to find ideas but that is all they are.. Idea's to be proven or dissproven when straight..

What is happening in your brain is you think you have extra senses when you have less. This causes the brain to fill in the gaps with sensory confusions often resulting in the sense a higher power must be present. I have met "god" on mushrooms lol ... but i never met god although i had what people call religous experience and have for thousands of years. It's just a complex set of brain conditions developed by plant toxins to defend themselves from our stupid ..

Read some Robert Anton Wilson maybe .. His best quote on it for me is, "If you are going to go into the chapel perilous you must be your own priest and worst critic"; what he means is if you are going to deprive yourself of that much sensory info whilst going into willing delusion prepare to potentially "feel" or percieve anything . and i mean anything .. Including the impression gods are around you .. he is also saying you have to be your own priest "incredibly supportive and understanding to yourself" .. you also need to be prapared to be very critical too as you are in there alone. It's your head after all. It's just the plants bud. Don't listen to em πŸ˜‰


When on drugs, hallucinations seem much more real. Do you think it's because of, you know, drugs?


Messing with receptors in the brain a God does not make. There have been studies where they blocked the receptors with other drugs and it caused the euphoria, hullicinations and I would guess that feeling of energy to stop. That energy manifesting itself is your brain misfiring. Might feel great and seem important but don't read too much into it.


I think the key word here is psychedelics .


I did a LOT of acid in the 70's and 80's and l just did a whole lot of laughing. I'm sure l didn't feel any energy responsible for my earthly guidance. If l had l would have kicked it's ass for doing such a shitty job. But it's your trip man.

@Scoobs It wasn't just a quick laugh. It was hours of laughing. It was like a mind enema. Great times.

@Scoobs The most economically efficient drug ever created. I was a lot younger when l was dropping. I have had no desire to do it in a long time. πŸ™‚


Many People Who Have Used L.S.D. etc have reported "God" like experiences.This is simply the effect on the brain of these drugs.

Coldo Level 8 Apr 10, 2018

The only thing that mind altering drugs expand is the pocket of the manufacturer or dealer, they do not expand your mind but they do grossly distort your sense perceptions. Some people on LSD and other consciousness altering drugs believed that they were invincible and could fly, it was not long before they met their death.

Yes indeed. Linking back to the 60s, there are many things I like about that decade and attitudes, but not the drug mythology that abounded then. All those dead rock stars, for one, due to drugs.


This is part of the reason for religion to begin with, freaking out over seemingly unexplainable events.

godef Level 7 Apr 10, 2018

You use mind altering drugs and you're wondering why you "believe there is some form of energy etc"? There was a similar post on here about "seeing" things when you meditate - why are people surprised at this? My ex husband could tell you some mind blowing things he "saw" after a 3 day dry fast.

@Scoobs Because his body was shuttiing down, so his brain was not working properly. Obviousy the energy required to achieve rational thought would be diverted to more pressing obligations, like preventing starvation.

@Scoobs Do you ever have nightmares/dreams? Are they "important" or just a few neurons misfiring? You really are on the wrong site.

@Scoobs It just seems so pointless to obsess about things you "don't know". There's so much more interesting stuff happening in the real world. I'm done.


Just say no.


If you were actually an atheist and came to atheism from a critical thinking point of view, you would know that atheist hear stories of personal testimony all the time. They are often presented as evidence of this or that belief. Your claim in not unique. You might have touched God, but how are we to know? You might have just had an intense personal experience and are predisposed to believing it is more meaningful than chemistry. Or any number of things. There is no way for me or you to actually know.
My advise to you, as someone that has also played around with psychedelics is you have a strong dose of skepticism and introspection after. Too many things are being played around in the brain to have much confidence.

JeffB Level 6 Apr 10, 2018

Yeah, I'd say it sounds like this is just due to the effect of the drugs on the brain, rather than "meeting god"

Tombo Level 2 Apr 10, 2018

Let's talk after your psychadelics wear off...


Using psychedelics will do that for you


In the words of Decartes "I think therefore I am" to that I would say you just think your're thinking.


I'm going to ignore the fact that you were hallucinating while under the influence of psychedelics....but can you explain what you mean by " energy that exists responsible for our earthly guidance " and also " an energy that manifests itself into our true desires.

I'll bet he's not going to come up with " force times distance".


I'm a former psychedelics user, and I say that's just nonsense. It's only the chemicals messing with your brain.

Deb57 Level 8 Apr 10, 2018

The Neuroscience is clear. Messing up your brain chemistry with hallucinogens causes delusions and illusions that may seem very real and intense, but they are not real outside your own mind. They know for example that drugs that cut off your sensory input for touch leaves the mind drifting in a state where it feels it is moving outside the body for woo woo ideas like astral travel. It has however created a profitable pseudoscience Business eager to sell people what they want ot hear in books and DVD's. I think the obvious clue is in the root of the word "hallucinogen' yes?


Put down the drugs and step away from the computer.....


Psychedelic drugs do such a fine job of separating people from reality that I'm surprised most religious sects discourage rather than encourage their use.

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