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Weltschmerz, German for “world pain,” was also coined during the Romantic Era and is in many ways the German version of ennui. It describes a world weariness felt from a perceived mismatch between the ideal image of how the world should be with how it really is. In German philosophy it was distinguished from pessimism, the idea that there is more bad than good in the world, because while pessimism was the logical conclusion of cool, rational philosophical pondering, weltschmerz was an emotional response. Though weltschmerz and ennui are pretty close synonyms, ennui foregrounds the listlessness brought on by world weariness (it can also be a term for more simple boredom), and weltschmerz foregrounds the pain or sadness. There is perhaps a greater sense of yearning in weltschmerz (part of the pain is that the sufferer really wants the world to be otherwise). Also, as an English word, weltschmerz is not as common as ennui, so there are fewer connotations about the type of person that comes down with it. Its very German sound (that “schm”!) makes it seem more serious and grim than ennui.

Do you have sadness in your heart for the world that can never be and sensible shoes? You’ve got weltschmerz.

Because: Faith, Religion, Lack of critical thinking skillz

arnies 7 Apr 11
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I know. Its such a pain and really spoils my fun at times. I really dig that Korean word HU. Sadness. Disillusion. Heartsore. I feel it all. Jung describes one of his personality types ENFJ (Myers Briggs test) .....only 2%of the population and I think I'm one of them. Perhaps you are too.

I too am an ENFJ and this resonates loud and clear. I've never known what to call it.

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Thank you! For both the word and the defintion! I certainly fit that description as a child of the sixties
who saw all that bright promise crushed under mediocrities and asshats.
It may be egoistical and not very ethical as an earlier well thought out comment observed, but I've got to own it.

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This hit me in 7th grade. The world on my shoulders. Resulted in depression, suicidal thoughts, the whole gamut. Worst year of my life. I still use it as a measure of how good or bad I feel at the moment. Now I have a word to describe it. Thanks?!? 😉

Kyle Level 4 Apr 11, 2018
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I think I have had much more of this in the past, Weltschmerz, that is. I have become less and less an Idealist as time goes by. I suppose the only Idealism I embrace now is the abolishment of it for myself. I am more concerned, as I go, with what may I do rather than what should I do. I trust my reason and my instincts more and what I "should" do less.

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I developed this in about the first grade and it's only gotten worse, year to year, as I learn more about how people are. People suck.

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Very upset about what is going on with Trumpism and how the rest of the world perceives us. I am sad what is going on right here.

Me too.

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I personally choose these days to surround myself with my world, those things that I have control over, the rest I just let go or otherwise I would have Weltschmerz. I think.

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"a world weariness felt from a perceived mismatch between the ideal image of how the world should be with how it really is"

I agree that I am often disappointed and frustrated by the state of the world, however I do not suffer from the above.
To me that would be assumptive.
Why should my idealized version of the world hold so much import that the worlds failure to match my internal desired model causes me despair?
Do I think the world ought to revolve around my desires?

Am I frustrated by events driven by "Faith, Religion, Lack of critical thinking"
Absolutely
Am I willing to disallow all others their equal rights to things I disagree with, their right to Life and Liberty because they subscribe to notions I do not, like Religions, Psychics, Faith, Spirits, Souls, Ghosts, Life after Death, and so on?
NO, it would not be ethical or moral to do so, not unless there was some direct imperitive to save a life, and under our laws it might not even be legal then.

Should I then bemoan that?
Should I feel the pain and sadness for my ideal world( weltschmerz) simply because the entire world is not what I desire? What I think and believe would be best?

Do you really think that would be best for all, what all would desire? Do you think that "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" are for all of Us, or mostly for folks who think and feel like you? Those in your micro society, your bubble?

How is that ethical?
How is that not being depressed due to an aspect of your own ego?

This is one of the BEST, WELL THOUGHT OUT comments that I have come across on this site. Thank you SIR!!

This deserves more than just a "like".

I think the world's oceans should be free of plastic garbage and our waterways free of chemical dumping and a million other environmental problems. I don't think feeling depressed about that is merely ego at play.

That's what mostly gives me grave concern.

@Sciencemama And I agree with all of those concerns, as likely most folks here do. The great Barrier reef is dead now and we are living in the 6th extinction event.
That is reality and it sucks.
Being upset or depressed about that is not weltschmerz.

@Davesnothere yeah, I know about the Great Barrier Reef too and the 6th extinction event. This just sucks and it breaks my heart.

This was fully my MO before I did CBT. It leads me to very manipulative behavior. It comes from a place of wanting things to be better, but to me, my way was the only option to make things better. It's a recipe for self righteous anger and continuous failed attempts to control others' thoughts and behaviors, and, ultimately, disappointment. Because, you can never achieve my perfect ideal. No one can, including myself. I have had to learn to let others make decisions that I perceive to be mistakes. It's been really hard, but that is certainly the struggle for someone with this trait.

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That's always been something I have struggled with. I have to take measures for self-care to keep from sliding into the abyss. I have always had an undercurrent of melancholy. Especially when I'm worn out. And I agree wiith whoever said this was poetically expressed. Beautiful.

I think this impacts the more sensitive, empathetic types among us. There are plenty (not here I imagine) who are just indifferent to what happens outisde their own little bubble.

I try to extend kindness and compassion wherever I can. I keep away from toxic people and engage in creative activities, participate in marches, and love on my family and friends and be kind.

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I have felt this. Unfortunately, I’ve come to indulge more in Schadenfreude. ?

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Poetic! I have been 'guilty' of Weltschmertz but eventually bounce back to tepid optimism. Is there a cool German term for Tepid Optimism? 😉

Ironically, it seems that optimism is Optimismus in german. Obviously a connection between those root words from the latin.

No cool loan word though.

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I know the feeling, but always think of it as simply alienation.

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"Weltschmerz" a part of me really loves the way that is spit out of the mouth.

I really try to find positive things throughout the day

For myself and internally, not in one of those insufferable chatty, creepy smile type of way.

I think it's easier sometimes to stay positive if we limit our exposure levels to negativity.

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How do we fix it?

Probably that "exercise and eat right" stuff the Dr always tells me!

Probably no real cure other than learning to live well in our own corners of the world, teaching our kids to care about others, and deciding to be good people despite our own flawed nature.

from your profile, I am also a bad Spanish speaker, lol.

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Interesting distinction. So, I take it that weltschmerz is depression whereas pessimism is resigning oneself to the probable outcome from a logical standpoint Yes?

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Thanks that is an expansive explanation of the blues. Americans cannot spell either one.

hahaha, Spinliesel, thanks for providing an illustration of Weilschmerz

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I cannot fathom bearing the ills of the world. I try to make my little patch of it better by doing whatever I can to in my community to ease the suffering i see. Maybe it will have a ripple effect and someone here will help someone and that someone will help another and so forth....

that's progressive, JayJackson. I am not so enlightened...'guilty' of Weilschmerz. I don't live in it, it comes in waves but guilty none the less.

@crazycurlz The world would be a dull place if everyone was the same. Keep your head up and be well.

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