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So, the other night I lost a long-time friend who essentially helped me to get where I am, career-wise to the flat earth theory. This friend is a Christian and he knew where I stood on believing in science and he still tried to tell me that Satan was God of the Earth in that I am under his spell. I tried to help him by sending him at least 6 or 7 videos debunking it, and he wrote it all off, and I had to get away from such toxicity. How many of you have lost family or friends to dangerous ideologies, and tried to help, but, was fruitless?

Timaaahhh 4 Apr 11
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I remmeber a sect in my youth called 'the children of god' who were absolutely relentlessly happy, they were awful - you couldnt get a sensible sentance out of them

Yes I encountered 'the children of god' street preaching in my youth, lucky escape, most of them ended up in prison after the "Hookers for Jesus" scandal and their "prophet" Moses David preaching wide spread incestous paedophilla.

@LenHazell53 wow! thank you , I never got that bit of info I thought they just super- happily faded away

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Send him this. heh.

Heh. I would if only he wouldn't try to tell me I'm being deceived by the devil, himself ?

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the only time it becomes a problem for me is when they get pushy. i don't go around trying 2 convince people my beliefs are the only correct beliefs, all i ask is that they do the same. i have many friends of all kinds of religious or non religious backgrounds, we generally either leave each other alone about those subjects that we don't agree on, or have a calm discussion, without judgement or name calling or right or wrong, we just talk about the different aspects of different beliefs.

Byrd Level 7 Apr 11, 2018

This is the exact thing that I did with him, I explained to him what my beliefs were and I told him that his beliefs are fine with me, people have the Liberty to believe in what they want to believe in, but then he started pushing it on me and when it we went too far I told him that I would be going if he wouldn't stop trying to push me.

@Timaaahhh that sucks, sometimes thats the way it goes tho. you did all you could, but sometimes people just don't fit with each other. it can be really sad, especially when they were really cool, but if they can't respect your wishes 2 not continue the conversation, sometimes all you can do is move on. sorry 2 hear that tho

@Timaaahhh people are entitled to their own opinions and beliefs but not to their own facts.

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I've known truthers, birthers, avian flu conspiracists, and an AWFUL lot of young earth creationists. Some of these showed signs of sociopathy or psychopathy. The only one we "lost" was the bird guy, but not because of the birds.

Are you communicating at all with your (ex) friend? Can you find out if he is a domer as well?

Not that this will do any good, but...

  1. At no point does scripture specifically state that the earth is flat. For people who argue from the Book of Job, you can say that if one is building an arched structure, one would likley "rule it our with a plumb" and that such a structure is round, not flat.
  2. The use of the word kochav (ball) for assorted celestial objects is interesting. It would simply not be possible to tell, by the naked eye, that stars and planets are spherical. Someone writing the text knew that.
  3. Oddly enough, we do live under a raqiyah, a covering, frequently translated as firmament, a beaten copper dome. Our solar system has a heliopause/magnetosphere/bow shock. This covering does, in fact, separate a fluid above (high density plasma) from the same fluid below (low density plasma).

So, your friend can decline to feel obligated to believe on religious grounds that the earth is flat, and can take cheer that scripture accurately predicts that we are under a covering. BTW we only found that out a few years ago when Voyager went through the bow shock and started sending back data. He can be comforted that scripture accurately records the Thera eruption (Joseph's famine), human-neanderthal limited cross-breeding, possibly the Toba eruption, and also possibly the Missoula Floods. The first two were only properly esablished recently.

So tell you bud to lead with his strengths.

Funny enough, he's also one that believes in the conspiracy that NASA is Hebrew for snake, so he wouldn't believe anything that NASA has to do with. Thank you for that interesting read, however, I did not know any of those things.

@Timaaahhh Snake in Hebrew is Nachash. That’s a CH as in Chanukah, not as in Christmas. Oddly enough, King James never translated any Hebrew word as “snake.” Nachash and Soom seem to be used interchangeably as snake or serpent in assorted translations. It’s really a shame that your friend is off the deep end based on multiply false information.

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I'm sorry that happened. I've lost a lot of FB friends, and I'm regularly disowned by my mother.

I am sorry to hear that, I seem to be a lucky one in that as I was raised it was my grandmother who indoctrinated me into Christianity, my mother was never one to try and change me until after she died, then she told me what her beliefs were, which are more spiritual than an actual religion, my dad on the other hand was always anti-religion and was for science, which funny enough I had always ragged on him about, I recently had an actual conversation with him about science and religion, surprisingly it seems to be one of the few things we've had a actual conversation about in recent memory. So when I told them that I had became agnostic they were like, "Yeah, alright."

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A friend of mine is a "9-11 truther" and I see him spiralling down into more conspiracy theories. He's not the first I've lost to it but definitely the closest.

It's always the same line, too: "I've done my own research...."

Awesome, but I'll trust the people that spent years upon decades over your 10 minutes of scrolling through forums.

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Recently, I lost my best friend of 40 years over the current political climate although it was a slow speed loss that took several months. I didn't know he had unfriended me until I happen to got to his page one day and saw that were no longer friends and I shook it off because he was never really on FB anyway. He is very Republican and very Catholic and I am very NOT but we always managed to remain friends and have civil discussions, usually over a few beers. He inspired me and I feel that in some ways I am a better person to have known him even though I often suspected that our friendship meant more to me than it did to him. For four decades he told me what his religion meant to him; humility, generosity, kindness, compassion and love of fellow man. In some ways, I always thought him to be a slightly better man than I was and I would still die for him or any member of his family. Then he told me who he voted for; a man who was a direct contradiction to everything he had ever said to me. This friend has opted to ignore the oath he took when he enlisted in the USAF and now wants his party to violate the Constitution and make his religious belief a civil law and that I cannot abide.

Over the last ten years I have suffered the loss of two half sisters, older and younger, from cancer, my father and my dad ... but this loss is almost too much to bear. I am heartbroken.

I am so very sorry about these unfortunes that have occurred, he is surely missing out on a great man.

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Had a friend I loved very much. He was ex-Mormon but we were on the same page by the time I got to know him. Some years on he met a lovely French woman but she was a committed Christian and decided the relationship couldn't work because of the difference. 'Miraculously', he found he had suddenly rediscovered God. Of course, I pulled his leg about it and he dropped me like a stone. They married and were missionaries somewhere the last I heard. I met his wife quite by chance at a dance many years later and she said I should re-establish contact with him and I thought "he's supposed to be the Christian".

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Very sorry for the loss of your friend.
Regarding trying to help believers come to rational and logical thought, it's really a fruitless
endeavor. They have to come to reality on their own.
I don't even try anymore, at least not with the adults.
There are other ways to get through to the little ones.

Yes, and the funny thing is it seems that children have shown a greater understanding of many things than most of, at least American adults, give them credit for.

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Almost lost some friend over Trump, the religious people are so quick to judge people of no faith. Its quite the hypocrisy. To answer your question no not yet.

There's been a few I have lost to that man, including one of my former best friends. But when we were better friends I was more conservative, but on becoming progressive in most aspects, I've noticed his rather increasing distance behind me on the road.

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One of my best friends who was wild when young-know her 35 years -decided to put all of her energy and love into her Catholic Church. Actively participates in church ceremonies -has invited me to go-declined-stopped asking. Came to see me in nursing home when I was really sick. Hadn't seen her in years. That was a few years ago. Lost one of my best friends.

As I said in my above comment to Winkman, with losing my best friend, I've tried to keep it going, but he has become so pessimistic that I feel the negative energy coming from him and reading what he shares and posts that it almost makes me want to just end it with him.

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Ignorance is a human sickness
over time hopefully ignorance will decline until then if the human mind want to learn it will learn if not it is not ready for its next level of understanding yet.

Rosh Level 7 Apr 11, 2018

Lol, the next level of understanding. We will probably learn how to use a greater percentage of our brain before humanity moves to a point where there is no ignorance. And then when that happens those same people will say, "No way, I have more brains that I use than you do!"

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