@David1955 Nord have no logs and you can pay in bitcoin on a tor registered email if you really want security !!

What age is your Mac... I am running a 2011 MBP and a 2015 and both run it fine !!

I ran Nord on an un regged account payed for in crypto for two years and really have tested to the limits it's been seriously onioned lol.

Another option is manual config through BASH !! I use that sometimes and it's great .. .Also on OSX if you use the Network Connections manager in setting to config your own VPNs manually that is super solid !!

@David1955 If they don't deal in Crypto currency they are not serious as a rule logs mean nothing if it was payed for through a banking system.

@Nickbeee If they have no individually identifiable records of traffic, a subpoena for individually identified records is legally neutered. If the encryption to the vpn is strong enough, I don't think cryptocurrency is necessary to accomplish an amount of privacy that we should all be demanding as a minimum. I'm not saying the additional layer of cryptocurrency isn't valuable, but that advocating for that as the bar to consideration of vpn services may reduce the number of people willing and able to sign up for such things and the more people that use vpn services, the more secure everyone is, since isolating my encrypted packets becomes harder when there are more encrypted packets.

So my question to you, as you are someone who has looked into this more than I have, if the service doesn't log, what is your real exposure from the bank payment other than the information that you use a certain vpn?

@DJVJ311 I said "serious" as in doing potentially illegal things lol .. Many people use em for Penetration testing .. I have ... So you want full security & crypto. For everyday use I agree bank is fine!! Depends what you are doing.

I am talking about going in fully masked on US department of defense sub contractors Mac address flying into hell below the radar lol

@Nickbeee Okay, that makes perfect sense. "Serious" just seemed to be dismissive at first. Thanks for the clarification.

@DJVJ311 ... and exposure though the VPN isn't what you have to worry about even in a lower security problem.. Say you are streaming vid and torrenting ... and there is a wide sweep on the site that hosts your links .. your vpn drops for a while and you don't notice.. Your Mac address isn't masked and your hardware id - location and service provider are visible .. security agencies then go directly to your bank from there because you payed for the net service with the bank.. Then they look through your bank records and so on and so forth!!

@Nickbeee Once they have your location, IP, mac address, they have enough to come pick up your PC. Instead of that if they get the bank records, they have the bank records before they have my vpn provider. Once they have my vpn provider, my activity is still hidden. That should still be a dead end and the same level of exposure if I didn't use my bank account.

@DJVJ311 I have given you a real life reason for a problem you didn't understand .. I am not here to play tennis in some pointless debate about VPN's lol.. The point was about paying in crypto .. now you have presented a straw man argument about something else .. You don't have to be a net security expert to understand paying in crypto is going to be safer for a number of reasons - I am talking about bitcoin washed / laundered in the darknet - in fact you don't have to be a hamster to get it really lol !!! bye lol

Nord works in China & its not expensive ?