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What religion does to humanity

St-Sinner 9 Mar 12
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Hong Kong is not a country. Is it there in place of China where religious minorities are persecuted ?. This is counterproductive as it only makes the sects more determined. Better for religion to die of apathy like in some western European countries.

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We are not on either list. We are barbarians, centuries away from reason.

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The single biggest source of human problems is too many humans and their increasing activities. Even if religion was gone there would still be climate change and all the other serious environmental and social ills.

Agreed. Sorta.

The religious wars continue. China is a good example. The insane quest to dominate the world. Islam is the most evil example: Fascism spread by the sword for 1400 years. Every muslim run country is at the bottom of citizen enjoyment.

The only way to fix any of it is too have fewer humans on the planet. Currently 1/2 are below the age of 25, most children of NO parents.

@JacarC So the religious wars actually make fewer humans happen. This is what happens when we are not proactive on this front.

True totally. But try telling that to an evangelical or faithfools who think it’s all a hoax because it contradicts their fantasy of reality.

@CuddyCruiser Facts are facts no matter how much one denies it. Let them fantasize at their own peril. Besides, it's not our job to educate them, let nature do it as it is right now.

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The single source is oppression by elites, whether religious, economic, or political oppression. The problem is larger than religion.

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Israel I think has some enlightened folks, and I bet even some of those who believe in God are sometimes pretty secular in their attitudes on some issues, but saying that 65% are non-believers in God seems, in my view, somewhat on the aggressive side of the data. This page for example (and I don't care if it's just wikipedia, I'm not trying to research this to the nth degree, but just take a quick look) appears at first look to start at 40-50%, but when they look deeper, and distinguish between "observant" and "belief", then the percentage of actual honest-to-goodness atheists goes way down. If the point of the data above is actual non-belief, I would have to say I don't think Israel is anywhere near 65%.

Anyway, here is the wikipedia summary on the matter.

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Among Israel's Jewish populace, while only 20% or so identify as "religious", this term implies being a strictly observant Orthodox Jew. The other 80% identify as either Masortim, "traditional" (30%-40%), or Hilonim, "secular" (40%-50%). Almost all the "traditional" and many of the "secular" both affirm various religious beliefs and practice a considerable number of Jewish rituals. Indeed, scholars argued that "secular" is problematic in translation[7] (likewise, though hostility toward the state rabbinate is ubiquitous, secularism in the common sense is rather rare in the country).[8] Researcher Yoav Peled preferred to render Hiloni – 60% of whom believe in God, according to polls, and 25% affirm that He literally revealed the Law at Sinai – as "nonobservant".[9] Emphasizing the superiority of practice to faith in Judaism, Israeli social scientists measure one's level of secularity in terms of the rigour of observance, not beliefs. The Guttman Center, running the most thorough survey of Jewish-Israeli religious attitudes, employs the category of "totally nonobservant" to identify the completely secular. In 2009, 16% of respondents identified as such. Owing to the prevalence of practices like selective dietary purity or fixing a doorpost amulet, and their amalgamation into Israeli ordinary lifestyle without an overt religious connotation, many of the "totally nonobservant" actually perform not a few of these. In the 1999 Guttman survey, while 21% stated they are "totally nonobservant", only 7% did not practice any of the ten common ritual behaviours studied.[10][9] Concerning the existence of a deity, the results of four major polls, conducted between 2009 and 2019, imply that some 20% of Jewish Israelis do not believe in God: 11% "sometimes think God exists" and 9% are convinced atheists.[11] Regarding other supernatural notions, 28% of respondents to the Guttman 2009 survey denied efficacy to prayer, 33% disbelieved that the Jews are a chosen people, 35% disbelieved that the Law and the precepts are God-given, 44% rejected the notions of a World to Come and afterlife, and 49% disbelieved in a future coming of a Messiah. These findings largely commensurate with the 1991 and 1999 surveys.[12]

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In the Israeli Arab populace, which is overwhelmingly Muslim, a small minority identify as "secular";[13] in the 2018 Israel Central Bureau of Statistics' general survey, 7% of Muslims identified as "not religious."[14] Yet the meaning of being "secular" is even weaker than among Israeli Jews. While some Israeli Muslims largely ignore religious commandments in their personal lives (avoiding daily prayer and not fasting on Ramadan are the main hallmarks), open disregard is virtually unheard of. Many of the former, albeit not all, maintain religious beliefs. Muslim society does not acknowledge and has no concept of non-religiosity. Scholar Ronald Kronish commented that "traditional" would be a more appropriate epithet for the "secular", estimated to constitute between 10% to 20% of the whole population.[13]

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[en.wikipedia.org]

kmaz Level 7 Mar 12, 2021
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The source of the issue, is greed. Born from that, is religious power.

Mvtt Level 7 Mar 12, 2021
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There's no context... what are the symptoms? Cute undernourished kids?

It's presenting an excuse without an argument. Don't misunderstand, I'm interested to avoid heavily indoctrinated areas, but the picture is supposed to elicit compassion for an emotional response without a reason...

if you take away the two opinions (top text and bottom text) you'd have no idea if it was theist or antitheist propaganda.

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I don't get it. What do the different colors represent? What is the science behind this? What is the logic?

skado Level 9 Mar 12, 2021

Don't remember what the colors meant. I just understood the percentages of religiosity.

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You could always relocate to China?

Not entirely a bad idea to tolerate stricter rules and government oversight over.. overall primitive ignorance all around.

China is villainized in the West, more so in the US but China's economic and social progress has been amazing. A communist country with so much lifting millions out of poverty? The US has not been able top do it so fast.

@St-Sinner Hong Kong doesn't count anymore. The time for China's crush has arrived. Been coming since 97.

@Beowulfsfriend Hong Kong is China. So is Taiwan. It may take awhile, but time is on China's side. The West is making a big mistake by not respecting China and its internal affairs. American's are all expected to honor the Constitution, but when China says it will be ruled by patriots, the West has a shit fit!. GROG

@GROG Yep. Taiwan will be awhile. It has something Hong Kong doesn't, an army. At the moment China doesn't seem to want a bloody war anywhere yet. China also claims a bit of India, Vietnam, etc.

@Beowulfsfriend hope they don’t take Taiwan, being a largely Buddhist Country it would be a shame to see them get walked on 🙁 not seeing non religion as the answer St-Sinner does.

@girlwithsmiles They will as it is in their 100 year plan. They took Tibet and they aren't going to give it up.

@Beowulfsfriend owh 😞

@Beowulfsfriend I think China is just trying to tie all Chinese people together. China has enough internal problems within. They aren't too shabby in space tech though. I do like their stance on religion. GROG

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If I am reading this correctly Israel is among the least believer countries by percent of population. If so, I'm surprised.

Yes, the percentage of Orthodox Jews is quite low. The majority these days are Secular. GROG

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I’m shocked the US isn’t listed.

I was too. But if the US has less than 80% believers and less than 54% non- believers, it wouldn't show up on either side.

@RussRAB There was a poll that said 72% of Americans believe in angels. Don't imagine there's too many people who believe in angels that aren't religious, or religious people who don't believe in angels.

@JeffMurray I’m not religious, but believe in angels. How else can you explain Barbara Palvin?

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