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Theoretical physics is the field that develops theories about how nature operates. It extends the results of experiments, making predictions about what has not been physically tested.

But science requires that hypotheses be physically tested, so theoretical physics is not science.

yvilletom 8 May 9
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Theoretical physics develops the hypotheses to be tested.

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It fits with ' thought experiment science ' and like surmising and guessing should not be discouraged. They will eventually get to actual experiments through eliminating the bad thought ones, so be patient.

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the definition is in the name

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Hypothesis not theory. Hypothesis is before confirmation by experiment and pier review, theory is after, theoretical physics is perhaps misnamed, because it is concerned with hypothesis, but the making of hypothesis is a legitimate activity.

Some parts of physics do veer off into the realms of religion it is true, and it would no doubt benefit from more critical attacks, but there are a growing number of people within physics who are attacking the basic assumptions.

You say, "...physics do veer off into the realms of religion..." it's funny how people categorize things. Not specifically saying it's your fault. You just have the "meme" in your mind that does that.

Force is studied by physics and chemistry.

Ruach is force, like breath, wind or storm. It is some what erroneously translated into English as spirit or worse, ghost.

It would seem to me biblical text should not be categorized as "religious text" as many people erroneously do but rather scientific and governmental text, just written in a time of lesser articulation of word and language capabilities.

Just to add or clarify. Spirit in context of team spirit like at a sports event or among fans, is the "God" spirit or meme old the old testiment generational cultural meme. Ruach being the force of spoken words passing the meme in communication.

The meme grows, increases and evolves as it passes thru the old testiment generations. Just as your cognition started at say, when, you was a zygote. The meme cognition had a starting point and grew to become a larger cognition intellegent organism unto itself.

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Is formulating a hypothesis a scientific thing to do?

Lack of being able to test a hypothesis is then not scientific? Or is is just an incomplete or non-completable scientific activity?

And, the difference between hypothesis and theory? Are you saying that it should be called hypothetical physics instead of theoretical physics?

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And the Theory of Relativity was not scientific then?

Correct.

@yvilletom And yet it somehow predicted scientific observations made years later, such as gravitational lensing and gravitational waves. Not bad for an 'unscientific' theory.

@p-nullifidian Can you be more specific and identify who said the theory predicted which observations?

A century ago, the astronomer Arthur Eddington had no evidence that fusion powered the sun yet he said it did. NASA’s Parker Solar Probe is now nearing the sun; what is it telling NASA?

The mathematician Albert Einstein had no evidence that space is curved yet he said it is. Eddington saw what may have been refraction of light but said it was gravitational attraction and supported Einstein.

@yvilletom I am clearly a lay person, but this article may shed some light on the subject. 😉
[nature.com]

@p-nullifidian The 2019 Nature.com article has what’s alleged to be picture of a black hole.

Yet, early in 2014, months before he died, Stephen “Hawking changed his mind and concluded that black holes cannot exist after all.” Source: DK Publishing Company’s The Science Book

Are both sources true? I hope you’re ok with saying you don’t know.

@p-nullifidian At [newtoeu.com] you can download a free pdf file. If your time permits, give it a try.

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How can we develop answers if we don't first ask the questions? Some answers take a lot of time and money to develop. Look at the Higgs boson for example.

Please don’t look at the Higgs boson. Despite the many press releases saying it has been found, it has not. One of the project’s managers joked about the boson’s resolve that it will not allow humankind to find it.

These and numerous other delays and annoyances have caused two theoretical physicists to write a paper suggesting a reason. No one but one of the paper’s authors, Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, can put it more succinctly:
“It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck… Well, one could even almost say that we have a model for God.” It is their guess, said Dr. Nielsen, “that He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them.” In other words, either God or some other force in the future is sending negative influences back through time, so that the discovery of the Higgs boson can never take place.
Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, Japan, are authors of several papers discussing this unorthodox theory: “Search for Future Influence From LHC,” for instance.
Influences from the future attempting to prevent something from taking place in the past—our present—to ensure the creation of that future? The discovery of the Higgs boson is, according to Nielsen and Ninomiya, so antithetical to the future’s existence that the future is protecting itself by causing the machines capable of finding the particle to fail or never be built.

Source: thunderbolts.info with a search on “Higgs boson”.

@yvilletom The existence of the Higgs boson was confirmed on March 14, 2013. See the link.

[en.wikipedia.org]

@kensmile4u When anyone can edit anything Into Wlkipedia, why do you rely on it?

@yvilletom Your knowledge of wikipedia is as incorrect as this post.

[en.wikipedia.org]

@kensmile4u I have edited material into Wikipedia. It’s easy.

@yvilletom Good for you! Is that a self defeating statement? Then you should know that errors will be corrected by the "wisdom of the crowd" approach to collective human knowledge.
[en.wikipedia.org]

@kensmile4u Mm-mm, the crowd has eiither not yet found the material I added or they have accepted the source I cited.

I see no value in continuing this thread. Try another topic.

@yvilletom Any cursory research on the Higgs boson will provide multiple sources confirming it's existence. I agree that your statements which refute commonly held truths have no value. Not sure why you say this stuff but good luck with that.

@kensmile4u At [newtoeu.com] you can download a free pdf file. If your time permits, give it a try.

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but it is scientific? or just a playground for mathematicians and people who struggle to dress well.

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Let UC Berkeley know s soon as possible.

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