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Religion is like a restraining bolt for humans.

Jinx5555555 6 Oct 14
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I never did believe. My father drove me to church rain, shine, snow, hurricane, earthquake etc. He never went in. Later as teenager I met a friend who told me that his Dad owned a bar, Every Sunday morning they had a poker game there & my father never missed the game.

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Precisely

bobwjr Level 10 Oct 16, 2021
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Restraint is definitely needed. I do not believe that most of the earth's religions will provide that. Our only hope is to be governed by ethical and intelligent governments. Since that is a worldwide requirement, I am not confident we will have a good outcome.

A small minority of religions encourage ethical treatment of our earth. I have never understood why people do such stupid things for very short-term gain. The only religious people I hang out with are searchers. That means they are all searching for a way to both be better people and better stewards of the Earth.

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Yes, but not in the overall sense. What authentic religion is designed (by cultural evolution, not conscious human intent) to restrain is just those naturally evolved human traits that would be problematic in the context of an agriculture (as opposed to a foraging) based society. And the advent of agriculture, along with its enabling constraints, have catapulted our species from an "also ran" into a species so dominant that we are now threatening to take the whole of life off the planet.

So from a fitness perspective it's a much larger win than if religion hadn't evolved. We're overpopulating the Earth. But now that success has become another threat in its own right, which the abandonment of religion won't solve. What we need now, unfortunately, is more restraint, not less. But it now needs to come from an awareness of the objective facts instead of from an unconscious ritual, or from an unconscious rejection of ritual.

skado Level 9 Oct 16, 2021
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It’s a big waste.

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If so it doesn't work.

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And there are humans that need it.

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Bolts are for nuts.

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Yes, religion restrains you -- except for those that religion does not restrain.

Some people work the con and get rich.

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That would be a short circuit... (being told to lie does that...)

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Those who need religious restraints to act ethically and morally have little confidence in their own innate integrity.

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Alex De Tocqueville noted this many years ago during a visit to our exotic young nation. [edsitement.neh.gov]
Here's some quotes: [azquotes.com]

The first quote sounds like he's praising us for our 'flaming' religion. Not so great.

@JackPedigo Yeah. I think he overstated religion's positive aspect and missed the destructive. He was French, remember, and they were more of the religious persuasion then. But, also, a lot more of public policy has been attached to religion than it was then. I think he was right about desire for equality but wrong to put religion above that in esteem. He did say this, though: "The greatness of America lies not in being more enlightened than any other nation, but rather in her ability to repair her faults." ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

@rainmanjr wonder what he would say were he alive today’.

@JackPedigo My guess is that he'd say ouch a lot (because every move would be painful).

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They should be restrained by intelligence and common sense instead of religion. Actually, I haven't heard of any restrained evangelicals lately, either.

Surely you understand that not all humans have self control. There are people for whom religion is a necessary deterrent.

@MsKathleen umm...yes; I understand it; however, I don't have to like it a bit. Just my two cents. I worked in churches most of my life as a paid musician, and I have seen some of the most unrestrained, immoral, and narcissistic people I have ever encountered there. So much for the fear of hell.

@Organist1 I do not have your experience, but am inclined to agree about most churches. But I do know people for whom religion IS a regulating force, and I am glad it is.

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