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The apologist and the ax murderers accomplice. (A VERY short story in two parts.)

Part one.

So the apologist is usually very quick to point out that, only a few people in his/her religion commit any crimes, mostly the fundamentalists. That they are not concerned with excusing fundamentalism, or literal belief, but only in promoting and guarding the rich and valuable cultural tradition for the moderates.

And the fundamentalist said, having seen the apologists work. “That is great, look how many of us there are, I am moral and respectable, just look how many mainstream people share my views, would they do that if I was wrong? I am part of a great tradition and have a lot of support from my friends. Well at least one. So you see everything I do must be for the best, and I have plenty of potential new recruits to help me, who will rally to the cause, when we show what we can do together. Let us go now and kill the infidels.”

Part two.

And they arrested an ax murderers accomplice, and charged him with aiding and abetting murder , and he said “ But I did not do any of the killing, or the chopping up, in fact I never even went in the houses. All I ever did was drive the car and tried to comfort my mate when he had his guilt trips. And he only gave me the cash he stole, plus petrol money.” Yet the ax murder said. “But everything I did was right, these people really wanted to be killed and mutilated, both the voice in my head and my friend here told me that was right. Would he have helped me for just the cash, if it had been wrong. How could it be wrong.”

Then the judge looked at the ax murderer and said. “This man is clearly deluded, under the influence of others and mentally deranged, I am going to recommend that he receives the best medical care and help the state can provide, this is a very sad case.” Then the judge looked at the accomplice and said. “ You are clearly a very evil man, who should have known better, did nothing to help a clearly deluded person, was happy to gain profit from crime, and tried to pass on all the guilt on to a sad deluded madman. For you I am going to award the maximum penalties the law allows, and I wish it was more.”

(Is not the apologists unwillingness to accept, recognize or share in any part of the guilt for the doings of their religion, not a greater dishonesty and an even greater character defect, especially when they claim to know better than to believe, than the delusions of the greatest fundamentalist ? I at least have always respected if pitied true believers, but I find it very hard not to loath apologists. )

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IMO, the apologist is a hypocrite. If his religion has mainly good people, then he should accept responsibility for ensuring that religious people know the difference between literal belief/fundamentalism with its hating mentality and ethical belief with its reasoned behavior. The apologist implies it was okay to ignore a potential ax murderer because he didn't plan to murder, yet a religious voice ordered him to do it. The apologist implies the ax murderer's beliefs have a right to exist alongside the ethical person's beliefs because they are both parts of the rich religious cultural tradition. He needs to accept the consequences for tolerating and thus fostering that violent mentality.

You are very correct, in fact I would say that a lot of apologetics is just the business of making a philosophy out of hypocracy. Great insight.

Though I did not intend that the apologist in the story was the same person as the accomplice, or people having knowledge of each other, but rather two different people with the same faults, perhaps I should have made that more plain. Anyway your reading of it is great.

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Well, there's the rub. One is a deluded psychopath. The apologist is a full blown sociopath who not only lacks any empathy, but is intent on gaining power derived from violence and wrongdoing. Sound familiar?

Yes very.

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This is why I am not understanding why they are not charging all the j/6 seditionists with murder since people died.
Normally if you even in the car if a felony happened and somebody died you are charged with murder as well as the person who fired the gun.
Oh wait, they are all white.

Sad but true. I am sorry to say it, but the more I watch the news and the longer I spend on this site, the more I start to think that the US is really a very primitive society, which will have to start moving a lot faster if it is going to catch up with the rest of the developed world..

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The people that do not address the root cause of these heinous acts help perpetuate them. A friend was saying he watched CNN's story about the Oklahoma City bombing. I still resent the fact that there was not more public outrage and analysis of the fact that the murderers were gun loving right wing domestic terrorists. Instead they did all of these speeches about the wonderful Oklahoma people who are coming together because of the bombing. They labeled this activity as the Oklahoma Standard which is definitely an example of diverting our gaze from the evil.

You take care of yourself, your country needs people like you.

IMO, American media averts the gaze from major evil every day, and I feel that is complicit.
In addition to that, there is also underreporting of important international news and vital scientific facts which implies the mainstream wants Americans to be ignorant and much easier to fool for as long as possible, and all of that endangers democracy.

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Wrote this a long time ago. I think I even posted it here because I remember getting into a ridiculous argument with TMW (who I won't bother tagging because he refuses to talk to me anyway) about it.

It is quite possible that religious moderates are not only part of the problem, but the biggest part of the problem. Their large base gives an air of legitimacy to the belief system and provides an environment in which religious extremism can survive and thrive. Compare the "crazy" beliefs of the marginalized with those of the religious. How different are they, really? A man wearing a tinfoil hat pleading for people to heed his warning about alien abductions and the anal probes that went along with them is not taken seriously by anyone, except maybe those that are also wearing similar hats. So how is it that we're legislating morality based on stories that contain taking snakes and donkeys and people that rise from the dead? It's because there's a huge portion of the population that doesn't think these are ridiculous things to believe. Without religious moderates, religious extremist groups would have no where to recruit members or obtain funding. They would, in effect, be reduced to another crazy, yet powerless person we ignore in the course of our everyday lives, albeit with more asinine headwear.

That is very close to the point I was trying to make. But you do it better and more completely than me, though I was trying to entertain as well, which may be a compromise too far.

@Fernapple I don't know about that, but I'll take the compliment.

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Who is the greater fool, the fool, or the fool who follows the fool.

Some of the fools are already finding out.

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