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Scientism is defined as the view that science and scientific method are the best or only objective means by which people should determine normative and epistemological values, or that the natural sciences constitute the most authoritative worldview.

Sounds a lot like a religion to me. From my interactions with atheists I find many of them to be into scientism. To me this is not the way to be. One must be open to alternate theories and evidence that contradicts what is scientifically understood or known.

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Religion to me sounds like helping widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27

Theocracy is a type of government. Christianity is a type of theocracy. Christianity theocracy is about world domination of government with biblical dictates requiring laws that include government issued identification for capitalism slavery. ... bo one can BUY or SELL with out the mark [government required identification]. Revelations 13:17

Historically we can observe the catholic related attempts at world domination in things like the inquisition and other crusades that for that time didn't completely make it to total world domination.

Business sales tax identification, birth certificate, social security card, photo identification are examples of Mark's required to buy and sell in business or for having a bank account to use a debit or credit card.

Belief means hold information as true. The ethical foundational premise of science is to hold information they deam and certify as true in its truest possible form. Being as how science has many different branches like biology,physics and chemistry. These different branches or departments operate as a system where that the body of information from one branch can help support or be used in another branch. Therefore, science can be viewed as a belief system where the difference branches work together like a system that is inter functional or sharing their different "truths" with each branch.

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Well if you like to be open minded, then there are other ways of looking at that too.

For example you can take the historical view. That once almost all of human culture was religious. Which is to say that, all culture was received wisdom or folly handed down traditionally and only justified by tradition. Indeed the original Roman word "religio" meant exactly the same thing as the term, "our culture" would today. But by about the sixth century BCE it was becoming clear to many people in different parts of the world, that merely accepting traditional untested handed down knowledge without question, was not working very well, especially as technology and politics advanced, and people started to have contact with many more cultures, whose religion often, openly, contradicted their own.

So at about that time, the idea that tradition alone was enough justification to be certain of the truth of an idea, began to be questioned. And in several parts of the world: India, China and especially Greece, people openly questioned it, and began to ask if improved methods of refining thought could not be found. They found that testing ideas against the filters of free debate, mathematics and the logical rules of epistemology which they invented based on maths, helped a lot, and philosophy was born, in an attempt to refine knowledge and grade out the rubbish.

It soon however became obvious that a lot of things in nature were so complex and often counter intuitive, that merely thinking and debating alone was not enough to justify, or even discover, a lot of things and ideas. And so several philosophers, ( In legend beginning with Aristotle. ) decided that observation was also a useful part of discovering which ideas were the best, and so the branch called natural philosophy was born.

As the world gradually came out of the MIddle Ages natural philosophy grew in power and importance, relative to the older type, and it was soon found that for many things undisciplined observation, could easily lead to errors, and was not in itself enough of a filter to keep them out. So that through the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries further refinements were added, four especially: The experimental method; repeatablity; ( Everyone should be able to get the same results from an experiment.) the idea that nothing is ever totally proved, and that within natural philosophy everything can be reviewed in the light of new evidence; and following that, the value scale of hypothesis, experimental proof and theory. ( Which last does not mean hypothesis as in popular culture, but a whole body of evidence pointing to the same conclusion. ) And so the new even more improved version of natural philosophy eventually moved on so far, that it got a new name, "science". But at the same time it became obvious that some ideas could not be tested through all the new filters, things like moral and political ideas for example, so it becomes needful to accept, that there are still uses to be found for less refined methods of thinking and discovery, like philosophy, in some fields.

So that today I generally, ( and it is a personal method subjective to a high degree, ) try to use well supported science as my first go to, ideas supported by some science and some experiments as second, personal observation as third, philosophy as fourth and religion as last resort. But since a lot of what is found in many religions overlaps and agrees with with both science and philosophy, and can therefore be renamed either science and philosophy, I have never found that in practice I need to go back as far as that fifth level, and that at that point, "unknown" is the best answer anyway.

I do hope that this long answer is not too much for your very short question, it is not not glib or witty if that was what you were hoping for, sorry.

"...the scientific community has been cowed into disparaging all UAP reports to show their loyalty to the orthodoxy." The scientific community is, necessarily, extremely political. Politics is all about deciding how to allocate sparse resources, and that certainly restrains scientists. As most of that money comes from the government, if the government has a policy where UAP research is classified above Top Secret (as was disclosed to the Canadian Minister, Paul Hellyer), that makes the subject off-limits.

@racocn8 That is very true.

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It depends on one's definition of science and scientism. I believe science to be open-minded as far as willing to entertain all propositionS with the understanding that the reception is proportional to the quantity and quality of evidence. With no evidence for wormholes, time travel or alternate universes, those propositions can't go anywhere except further, more arcane speculation.

Within the culture of scientists, some may become rigid and toss out propositions without a hearing. What scientist wants to hear another defender of Creationism? For sure, science is far from pure. The campaign by the Air Force et. al. to discredit any and all UFO reporting has had the chilling effect that sightings relevant to national security don't get reported, and the scientific community has been cowed into disparaging all UAP reports to show their loyalty to the orthodoxy. UFO debunking has become its own cult. These debunking cultists are intentionally ignorant and without understanding of the issues, and still refuse to address the evidence.

A good example of other dimensions may be interpreted from the way that quantum physics requires mathematical solutions that employ complex or imaginary number systems (link below). One other instance of this is network analysis of electrical circuits. Equations are formulated as defined by the circuit elements, and only by using complex numbers can a correct result be calculated.

[sciencenews.org]

One cannot become too doctrinaire given Schroedinger's Cat and the wave-particle duality, and good scientists take this to heart. Science has significant mystical or at least mysterious aspects to it. The beauty is that speculation leads to theories, theories to calculations, and calculations to findings; When the findings agree with reality, maybe we don't even have the right theory, but what we do have yields accurate predictions. (I saw today how this happens with Big Bang nucleosynthesis - - mind blowing!!!)

Tell me what you think might be disclosed that will rock the world?

@darren316 Some degree of disclosure seems likely, and that means admitting to at least one species of alien. It is possible one or more species have bases in remote locations. I think people would adapt to that knowledge. If it damaged religions, so much the better.

@darren316 Look at how the drug war ended all clinical trials of cannabinoids for 80 years even though their efficacy against cancer was well known. The difference being that the Air Force, etc. have been very busy trying to reproduce this technology, even though it is certain to be, what, at least 300 years ahead and possible thousands of years ahead. Some rumors are that it cannot be reproduced with our existing technology. We are indigenous fauna in a nature preserve, but their prime directive apparently has some gaps that allow for very low levels of interaction: messing with our military, retrieving samples from cattle, surveilling humans, and...?

Some interesting clips, some better than others, as always.

[tw.tv.yahoo.com]

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Scientism is the use of too much science, enough to defeat my hypothesis.

Like alcoholism, the use of too much alcohol, enough to outshout me.

Barbarism - visiting more bars than I will survive.

Etc, etc.

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the human is obviously desperate to believe something, as evidenced by some of the stuff that gets chosen. And agreement is no fun at all.

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Sounds like you've been sucker punched into the feeble feckless pejoratives of religious ranters about those naughty New Atheists.

Scientism [en.wikipedia.org]

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Okay... so... if we say that science does not hold all the answers... what are the alternatives? Religion? Metaphysics? Astrology? Voodoo? Homeopathy? The paranormal? Alchemy?

@darren316 Name those "unknowns".

@darren316 We must have enough info about anything to be able to submit it to the scientific process. Until that time and for that reason only, they can't be proven with science and remain unknown. Science will prove or disprove them when the relevant info becomes available, just as it has done with everything else. Science evolves over time, from when things are unknown and continues as more info is generated. That doesn't mean unknowns are inconsistent with or contrary to science.

@darren316 This would not surprise me at all. Climate change alone assures we are in for big changes yet cons still think scientists are making it up for profit. I don't really care what happens to the cons but it would be a shame for the evolution of humankind generally to be cut short.

@darren316 Other intelligent life, wormholes, the quantum realm, other dimensions... if these things exist they are science. So far, there's been no empirical evidence of intelligent life outside of this planet. Intelligent life on the other side of the universe is moot since it has no bearing on us.

Science acknowledges that wormholes could theoretically exist but so far have not been proven to exist.

By quantum realm I assume you mean quantum mechanics and this too is theoretically possible per science and a fundamental part of quantum physics. If instead you mean the Quantum Realm like in the Marvel movies then that's just a fun superhero movie and not a basis for rational thought on reality.

If you mean the multiverse theory then that is simply a hypothesis. We don't currently have the technology to even study this so its basically moot. You can't explain an unknown with something that is not even known to exist. That's like explaining time travel by using unicorns.

@darren316 The whole point of science is that it accepts the idea of an unknown, that is how it differs in the most part from religion. Without the unkown there would be no point in doing scientific research and science would come to an end.

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So Flat Earth nonsense should be given equal validity?

Bullshit

@darren316 Then why didn't you say so in the first place?

@darren316 You took that well. 🙂

@anglophone Just to fill you in, darren316 calls himself a progressive but does not believe in the equality of the sexes. Therefore his "humility" seems disingenuous to me and I will exert my superior intellect over his at every opportunity. Rant over.

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First of all, it's "scientism". But most of all, there is no evidence that contradicts what has been proven scientifically. One of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read here. Also, scientism bears no resemblance to a religion.

@darren316 Don't falsely attribute your misunderstanding of my comment to me.

@darren316 My shortcomings pale in comparison to someone who has to correct his misspelling of the very subject of his post.

@darren316 That which is imagined to reside beyond the realm of science may be interesting from the point of view of fantasy or belief. However, it remains so and as such has no scientific validity. Feel free to construct a theory about the origin of the Jabberwocky.

@ASTRALMAX For the record, I actually like very much when someone communicates an idea so much more effectively than I did so thank you for that.

@darren316 Your misspelling of your very subject, not once but twice, is reminiscent of confusing "gazpacho" with "gestapo". It is indicative of a larger absence of basic knowledge.

@LovinLarge You are welcome

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