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Is it ethical to kill animals if you then eat them?

Is it ethical to kill animals who would otherwise kill the animals you intend to kill and eat?

Is it ethical to kill?

waitingforgodo 8 Feb 20
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Has anyone making jokes about murdering vegetables seen Seth Rogen's movie, Sausage Fest? Your jokes remind me of the movie and I'm cracking up🤣.

Never saw it. I like Seth Rogen tho.

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Every living thing consumes. Something must die for us to survive. Everything that dies goes back to the earth.

To kill for sport, power or wealth, in my opinion that is what is unethical.

Betty Level 8 Feb 24, 2022

I agree very much with your response! What do you think about factory farming?

Personally, I accept that it is detrimental to our environment and inhumane. I don't think that means we have to drop everything and change the way we eat immediately though - I think that's a lot of pressure (and there are so many more things that we "ought" to change about the way we've done things our whole lives, but it's a lot to do at once).

I'm a proponent for living with a little bit of compassion (for yourself and others), so my goal this year is to do my best to eat locally. I think that's easier to do when you have transportation and extra cash, though!

@DarkMatter I would like to see small family owned and operated farms again. Factory farms don't care about quality of life for the animals. Most small farms I visited care for the animals.
It has been my opinion that big doesn't work in the long term, cities, government, business, or farms. Too much corruption and profit over quality.

@Betty I agree whole-heartedly with every word, and as the child of a generational family farm which reached its last fully profitable generation with my Grandpa, I appreciate you! Well-said!

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it is if you eat them or are protecting livestock

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Yes, yes, and it depends (but only in that order).

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All creatures must die, and of all the agents of death, humans are perhaps the only ones who have any concern, to lessen or minimize the suffering that dying brings with it. The symptoms of old age, disease, starvation, parasites, natural predators, and cancer etc., none of those care how much suffering they cause during the process of death. So that in many ways you could say that those who are killed by human hunters or slaughter-men, are the lucky ones, and that in all probability our killing reduces the overall amount of misery in the world.

What is much more questionable, is the farming of livestock. It seems very doubtful that taking animals from their natural environments, and locking them in tiny cages, where they rub themselves sore on the bars, and spend most of their lives lying on their own waste, without contact with sunlight or normal social interactions with other members of their species, often prone to disease through mismanagement, and drugged to make them passive and faster growing, and bred with painfully distorted bodies, to enlarge the parts we like to eat, giving birth to unnaturally large offspring and litters and frequently intensionally terrified to make them obedient, really does not increase the net amount of misery and suffering in the world.

You could make a good case not for veganism, but certainly for wild game and roadkill only.

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Death is a part of life. You kill for necessity as a part of life. You will die as a part of life.

When killing becomes fun or a selfish pastime, that's a problem. The olde "waste not want not" principle sort of applies. If you are going to kill, try to utilise all parts of the animal or fish. I think this is why people get so disgusted when elephants or Rhino's are killed purely for their ivory, or sharks for their fins, with the rest left to rot.

puff Level 8 Feb 21, 2022

Are fish not animal? How big a brain does an animal have to have before you balk at eating those brains?

When has killing not been fun?

Not sure about left to waste. Nothing in nature is ever really wasted, anything left out is food for the scavengers, and the recycling organisms.

@waitingforgodo Killing is not fun but animal protein is delicious. I'm a member of the human race so I draw the line at killing people.

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No. I must confess I do kill a zucchini now & then

I should tear strips off you for mentioning zucchini but I'm pasta caring.

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Look around! Everything is either prey or a predator. Predators eat prey. Get over it!

Pelagic predators and pacific prey: sapid and rapid never vapid.

That's Tuesday nite sorted: eat prey love.

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I don’t know about ethical, but yummy.

Depends on whether we choose to take the animal’s perspective into consideration, but until we get the ethics ironed out, I feel it’s an unpleasant adult responsibility that we need to accept, with the least attendant guilt as possible. I always liked stories I heard about indigenous practices that involved ritually thanking the animal for its life, before consuming it. Just a simple mindfulness of how one’s behavior affects other creatures’ lives.

It’s not ethical to kill wastefully.

skado Level 9 Feb 20, 2022

Agreed. Killing can be wrong.

I shall consecrate the vegetables with the holy water before microwaving them goodbye tonite (big cooking tip).

The frenched rack off lambda will be sautéed before being adorned with a pink cremation.

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To be honest, I don't really know is there's an answer to that or even how to determine what it is if there is. That is why I only concern myself with being logically consistent on that point. If you play both sides, and there is an answer, you're definitely wrong somewhere, but if you're consistent, you still have the possibility of being right.

Two small side notes:

  1. 'Fitness' of organisms has, for billions of years on Earth, been directly related to how well they could destroy other life forms, consume them, and use those resources to make more copies of themselves.
  2. It is likely impossible for a human to exist on this planet without killing other animals either directly or indirectly.
  1. True

  2. Some bugs will inadvertently suffer when agriculture rules the world.

  3. We could warm to ceviche as an entree to a brand new huxley.

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Ya gotta eat.

It could be construed as alarmingly self-deprecatory and lacking nutriment if I asked is the bar tender.

On a less serious note, eating doesn't seem to bother most carnivores.

@waitingforgodo A termite walks into a bar. Asks "Where's the bar tender?" What am I supposed to eat? Tofu? Wheat Grass?

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Yes.

We didn't get to be top predator, literally wiping the floor with other species both endangered and extinct, eschewing the fat.

I'd imagine big brained vegans could mount quite convincing dialectics about the rude rudiments of reasonable diet.

@waitingforgodo you know that "vegetarian" is just code for "village idiot who can't hunt or fish"?

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