I had never heard of 'Incel' before now; after looking it up, it just sounds like another stupid hate group, trying to justify their anger instead of fix their own issues.

What a group of entitled assholes.

My first thought when I heard about this group us, do they somehow think this is the way to attract women? It reminds me of when a guy approached and you say politely that you aren’t interested, and then they start calling you s bitch and worse. Like, yeah, well now I’m totally interested. NOT

There is always backlash when marginalized people make new steps in gaining equality. That's why we have Trump right after Obama. Men have had power over women forever. When people have an unfair advantage and get called out they get defensive and fight back. Hopefully it will even out somewhat but there will still always be people who dislike other types for whatever reasons or think they have more rights or power.

My main thoughts are, 'freaks' and, 'really that happened in Canada?'

I probably shouldn't say what I'm thinking. I'm sure most of these men are harmless and just venting their frustration. On the other hand, the thought of pathetic assholes who promote violence against anyone angers me. I'm curious if these groups wouldn't be a good place to search for serial killers.

I keep reminding myself we aren't that far along in evolution.
There's still a lot of nastiness we haven't gotten past yet - if ever we will.
But our ability to think in abstracts exceeds our ability to realize those thoughts, and we suffer that deficiency.

I can remember being frustrated. But I don't recall ever blaming all women and wanting to kill anyone. Well, maybe me.

I'm not surprised. Human nature doesn't seem to change

Condolences ...

Surprised personally .. have friends out there and they always say how lovely Toronto is and everyone I know there is lovely .. I was surprised.

I had never heard of "Incel" before this and cannot really understand their Motive?

Incel a bunch of arseholes who can't get laid so decide its women's fault ....what has this got to do with tolerance and equality?

Incel = Involuntary Celibacy FYI

One of the problems with the Interwebs is that it allows these loons to organize and self-perpetuate. I was a little surprised by it and reading about the history of Incel, and how it started as a gender-neutral group and then evolved is scary. But at the core, we have a lot of angry people in our world and in many ways they've been empowered by modern communications technology and the politics of hate.

Just posted this in another thread on the same subject:

Incels are whinny little bitches. Every single one of 'em. There are options. Going through life filled with anger and hate solves nothing.

The secret to a happy life is to make lemonade out of the lemons which fate throws in your basket. If I could offer these people one bit of good advice, it would be this: If the rules don't work for you, then play by a different set of rules and stop expecting the rules to be changed in your favor. Because they're never going to be.

Please check before you post. We have at least 3 posts on this today.Thanks. Its a sick group.

Like I said in a different post here, it has many similarities to the École Polytechnique Massacre in Montréal in 1989.
[en.wikipedia.org]
The whole thing is very disturbing.

There has to be more clarity concerning the limits of tolerance

I think as the violence in all of our cultures continues to rise, more of these little people with an axe to grind with one group of people (ie. women) or another will come up. It is a sad thing, but I see an increase not a decrease. I would say that the person here is a sad sad person, who should be kicked off the planet.

It's not remotely surprising. The world isn't preaching tolerance and equality either. Not even close.

I posted this in the other thread: A little shout out to all the women here: None of you are smearing all men as misogynists. No generalizations. Kudos to non-believers and this website! We can hold civilized conversations.

There have been 3 posts on this subject prior to yours. In order to eliminate duplicate posts, please search your topic before posting. Agnostic.com asks this on the "post topic" page.

The Toronto mass murderer, “incel” or whatever he was, should face the legal consequences of his actions. He’s about as miserable and as pathetic as any lowlife can be. But I just can’t support government curbs on speech, especially hateful speech like the speech that some people may think may have “triggered” his rampage. If hatefut speech is not protected, we have no freedom of speech. Hateful speech is bad, but having no freedom is speech is worse. In America we know the value of freedom of speech, a core principle that has guided our nation despite some very dark periods like the McCarthy era. And If extremist religious fanatics can spew hateful messages at will despite the proven bloody track record of their doctrines and our republic still stands, we should be able to confront and neutralize weasels or incels without a thought police.

Incel?