All of your points make great sense, but the reasons it never happens here in the US, is because our pols are way too corrupt and bought off by the HC system, secondly, our corporate media prevents any real discussion of how much better UH would be for our country, thirdly, as this whole discussion thread shows, too many voters care more about people they hate benefitting from UH, and lastly the old scare tactics of equating UH with socialism, communism, and other bogeyman labels is still too effective with many Americans.

@TomMcGiverin YES. And the last of your points (socialism / communism) appears to be the most emotionally powerful point, especially among conservatives.

@mischl So sadly true, and the corporate media also deserves blame too, for the way they play along with promoting the scare tactics of smearing UH with socialism/communism associations.

@TheInterlooper I think that right-wing of the US should hang its head in shame at the bungled attempted coup, the stupidest grifter it holds up as the second coming and all of the politically motivated violence and should avoid words like fascism like the plague. But mostly it should shut up because practically everything that comes out of their mouths is dumb, lies or dumb lies.
I was not going to do this but wtf I like telling stupid people they are too stupid to know that they are. (you know if you can't figure out who is the sucker at the poker table it's bc it's you).
Do you really think that 49 of the top industrialised countries are socialist? Including the UK which has had a conservative govt for the past 12 years.
Do you really think the state gets to decide who gets seen by their doctor or ER? What do think happens, You try and get your ingrowing toenail sorted and some political commissar checks out your voting history. lol
Sure a few people muted that the un-vaxed should not be treated but then the same people also called for smokers, obese and alcoholics should also receive lesser care. They were soon shouted down bc our system unlike yours operates on the principle of universal healthcare at the point of need regardless of your ability to pay. So if any country would be liable to refuse your treatment it would be the US bc your insurance company could make the reasonable financial decision to withhold coverage if you were too stupid to follow medical advice and get vaxed.
If UH is socialist the vast majority of Americans are socialist bc every single poll says most of your fellow citizens want it.
Btw Germany had a form of UH at its inception under Bismark in 1871. This continued under successive govts but was perverted under Hitler.

Everything you said about him makes sense to me. Those people not only have no empathy whatsoever, they can't even understand the concept of it if you explain it to them, as you did. As for your attraction to him initially, I don't judge you for it, as I have been in the dating game again long enough this latest time around, that I realize many women are attracted to the biker type or bad boy types of men, even after the woman hits middle age, including a female friend that I still like, am friends with, and was attracted to in the past. While it is frustrating to me, I know it goes both ways. I personally am not attracted to women who are lacking in empathy, kindness, or the ability to treat a man with sensitivity and supportive love, I know plenty of men my age who are still attracted to the female equivalent of the bad boy or biker guy, women who are high maintainence ball busters, drama queens, or borderline personality types, etc. I think there is something warped in plenty of people in both genders of being attracted to people who provide them with lots of challenge and drama in their relationships. But, as far as I'm concerned, to each their own. Personally, I am too old and tired to want to deal with all that shit in a relationship.

I've read, studied, and thought a lot about this "empathy" thing, which apparently only about 30% of Americans have. It's the part of the mind/brain that makes us care about other people. There's a good argument that people without empathy aren't fully human. Cultural anthropology suggests that, when we used to live in trees, the clan would throw those defective creatures out and chase them away.

@mischl Maybe there was some merit to that, casting them out of the tribe. I wish we could simply throw them all onto a deserted island, so that they could only prey on each other, and leave the rest of alone, to enjoy cooperation, harmony, and peace.

Thou dost use the term "information" loosely. Fox is at least half selected and focused propaganda.

I have personally heard far-right wingers saying things approaching this. It's pure bottled hate. I've overheard a couple of them saying things like, "I don't want those goddamn commie bastards getting a THING off the government." And so forth. So, it appears that I'm a commie bastard because I'm getting social security that I paid into for 56 years.

@mischl Look at they way the Right labels social programs, they call them Entitlements. That word has subtle negative connotations, "As if they are entitled...". The right wing media has done a helluva job influencing those of lesser intelligence and fewer critical thinking skills. A lot of it is racist and misogynistic.

Do you remember years ago the fiction of the welfare mother driving a Cadillac? Of course they didn't want sex education, birth control, or abortions. Easier to blame women with darker skin than theirs than to address the true problems. It is framed to create hate via emotional response that gets their viewers/listeners to stay tuned through the commercials and profit those media companies.

Demonizing education has been another tactic, for that they use the label Coastal Elites. Maybe reading books and knowing the difference between communism and socialism is asking too much? But of course that would require better funding for education which would lead to better critical thinking skills and fewer people that could be manipulated.

@mischl But you won't see a single one of those cons turn down their SS benefits once they turn full SS age, same way as in England, as soon as the National Health Service was established, right after WWII, the Tories were the first ones in line to sign up for it. They're all such shameless, fucking hypocrites.. Same thing with the cons here and Medicare, once they turn 65.