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The Covidians are doing all they can to keep
'The Official Narrative' alive, well beyond its 'sell by date'.

Slate ran an unintentionally hilarious article this week headlined “To Mask or Not to Mask: That Is (Somehow) Still a Question.” The sub-headline seems to throw in the towel on masks, saying “The latest, highest quality evidence does not show that masks effectively protect against COVID-19.”

Sounds good, but don’t count your chicken nuggets yet. It’s the best example of the study shell game that I’ve ever seen.

Recently, what should be the final, definitive study examining whether face masks “work” for covid was released, and concluded that they do not work. The study was published by the “Cochrane Group,” which has such a sterling reputation that Slate even began by admitting that fact:
Which brings us to the recent Cochrane Review, which considered whether physical interventions—including masks—reduce the spread of respiratory viruses…
The reason Cochrane Reviews are such a useful tool is because of the strict methodology the authors use to systematically evaluate and assess the quality of evidence about an intervention’s safety and effectiveness. Throughout the process, review authors work with a Cochrane Review Group and editorial team, and the findings undergo peer review. Thus, review findings are seen as a synthesis of the best evidence available….
Cochrane Reviews are widely considered the gold standard of evidence-based medicine.
Systematic. Supervised. Peer reviewed. The gold standard. You’d think that would finally be the end of the mask argument. But as you well know, there are some people that really WANT masks to work; they LIKE the masks; they WANT to keep wearing them, in and out of season. Including Slate.
But there’s a problem. Slate wryly confessed that the “gold standard of studies” found masks don’t work:

“Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference,” the review authors concluded of their work comparing masking with non-masking to prevent influenza or SARS‐CoV‐2. What’s more, even for health care workers providing routine care, “there were no clear differences” between medical or surgical masks versus N95s.
Depressingly, for mask lovers, but wait! Don’t give up yet. There is a shell game to play, and Slate played it with aplomb. Slate’s first move was undermining Cochrane’s conclusion by pointing out that it doesn’t PROVE anything:

But as the saying goes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The review doesn’t show that masks definitely do not reduce the spread of COVID—only that studies to date have not proven that they do.
Don’t think too hard about that. Just don’t give up hope! Believe! There could be a new study someday that DOES prove masks work. You never know. You can’t say it can’t happen.

Next, Slate deployed the ad hominem toolset. It questioned the authors’ motives, by darkly implying bias without actually saying it:

There’s been some consternation about the predispositions of the review authors. Tom Jefferson, a senior associate tutor at Oxford University, has spearheaded Cochrane Reviews of interventions to reduce the spread of respiratory viruses since 2006. But Jefferson has raised some eyebrows, as he has publicly expressed skepticism about masks.
Don’t think too hard about this one either, or the peer reviewing, the close supervision, the editorial oversight, or about the fact that the Cochrane Reviews are meta-studies (studies of other studies), and so they depend on other, high-quality, randomized, controlled trials. To Slate, it’s enough that one of the authors MIGHT be a mask denier.
Although Slate admitted that the Cochrane Review was based on SIXTY-SEVEN pre-covid studies plus ELEVEN MORE post-covid studies, Slate wondered whether there have been ENOUGH studies to really get any confidence about the conclusion, because — you never know — all the study participants in all 78 trials could have been lying about their mask habits:

"The drawback of systematic reviews is that they’re only as good as the included studies: a classic case of “garbage in, garbage out.” And indeed, the studies in the Cochrane Review on masking had some issues. It was hard to eliminate bias, and low mask adherence was a problem. “The primary deficiency in the vast majority of studies is that they don’t measure mask wearing through direct observation, said Jason Abaluck, an economics professor at Yale who led the Bangladesh trial. “They simply ask people whether they wear masks. Self-reported mask-wearing doesn’t at all resemble actual mask-wearing.”

Now, Slate’s logic would also torpedo any favorable, pro-mask study, since that study would also have to be based on self-reporting, nor could it be done at scale using direct observation. No mask study can. But so what? If and when Slate gets hold of a pro-mask study, it will forget all about this objection in its delirious joy.

Ultimately, Slate concluded that, since you can’t rely on 78 RCT studies, even though reviewed by the “gold standard” of evidence-based medicine, (why would you?), you just have to decide about masking for yourself.

In other words get ready ...do NOT “trust the science:”

"Mask proponents insist that in the face of uncertainty, it’s better to be safe than sorry. Even if you’re not worried about your own risk, masking protects other people who are more vulnerable. Why not, they ask, since the downsides of masking are negligible?
Ultimately, the decision about whether to mask comes down to personal feelings about risk tolerance, collective action, and the effects of masks—or COVID itself—on quality of life. People disagree on all three counts, so it’s unlikely we will ever come to a consensus. It doesn’t look like “the science” is going to be a tiebreaker anytime soon. More than showing whether or not masks work, the Cochrane Review finds that the kind of evidence gathered so far can’t really answer the question. Maybe that’s a good reason to let people decide for themselves."

So funny! The Cochrane Review’s authors explicitly found that wearing masks probably makes no difference, but Slate, using the study shell game, transformed that clear finding into a swamp of uncertainty: We’ll never know! It’s one of those unknowables, like what happens after death, or where the Universe came from.
In other words — it’s a religion. I think they gave it away when they mentioned the “effects of masks … on quality of life.” There are people who think masking somehow improves their quality of life, regardless of whether it stops covid infection or not. These are probably folks you should keep your kids away from.'

  • Jeff Childers 'Coffee & Covid'
BDair 8 Feb 16
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Airborne viruses are very tiny and range in size from about 80nm to 120nm (80- 120th of a billionth of a meter). It you have Sars-Cov-2 the best thing is to remain in isolation for at least 10 days at home and thereby you reduce the risk of spreading it to others who may have compromised immune systems. If you must go out in public then wear a mask so that you do not spread the virus, while breathing and coughing when people are nearby.

During the early days of the pandemic many of the doctors in Italy wore masks but still contracted the virus and died. Because the virus is very tiny it entered their body through the tear ducts in the eyes. Today, in hospitals, masks are worn and eye shields are worn to protect the staff from viral infection.

With regard to the efficacy of masks N95 masks are more effective than paper masks. Given your previous posts on Sars-Cov-2 and your stance on vaccines it is no surprise to find you clutching at straws to support your belief.

I was in China at the outbreak of the Sars-Cov-2, hospital reception areas and corridors were filled with people with a life threatening respiratory illness. I have witnessed some grim scenes that leave an indelible impression on the memory. It seems to me that some people have to experience the gravity of a serious respiratory disease before the penny drops; such a realization may then be too late as they struggle and gasp for air, something that is usually taken for granted is suddenly understood to be vital.

You have no.idea what you witnessed,you have no evidence of COVID being the cause of what you saw.. that's not a straw, that's a fact

China has some of the worst air quality in the world in
their major cities. It is very likely that is a primary
cause of their respiratory diseases.

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At one time I thought about entering the medical profession, from the time I could read I occasionally read my Moms medical books, she was an x-ray tech. Germ theory, itsy bitty tiny things we can not see but are covered with were not a huge concern. We washed our hands, Mom kept a clean house and when we were sick our bed linens were washed separately. My Dad suffered from cold sores, when she convinced him to stop using hankies and switch to paper tissues his outbreaks were fewer and cleared up quicker. Even though she washed his shirts, pillow cases, hankies, etc. separately when he had an out break the biggest improvement came when he switched to single use paper tissues.
Personally I found using an N-95 mask at the grocery store really cut down on my asthma attacks when shopping - HUGE difference!
Cloth masks are pretty useless and of course just wearing it over your mouth and not your nose and mouth is as useful as a condom with the tip cut off.
Sadly, media outlets that could have helped the public understand why in the beginning NYC hospitals and those around the world were filled to capacity with sick people and refrigerator trucks lined the street to hold the deceased let everyone down.

The point is, that there has never been any clear evidence
that masks have ever helped to stop the spread of a respiratory virus in
a population. The medical literature going back decades shows this.
My philosophy has always been to follow terrain theory and expose myself to
everything and build up a natural innate immunity. I never sanitize anything.

@BDair The single mindedness of your post is more the issue I guess. Many have health issues that viruses that your system fights off would sicken or kill. The whole fucking point is science and modeling has shown the N-95 mask is effective at stopping YOUR germs from spreading to others less robust.
That's the whole fucking point, some may be just fine but the clear lack of concern for those less robust is a sad statement on our humanity - IMHO.

The medical literature does not support your position.

@BDair Scientic modeling does show particulate matter expressed when coughing, speaking loudly and singing is contained the best with an N-95 mask. The least effective were the cloth mask.
A blanket statement that masks do not work is misleading - surgical masks are not effect at keeping out small particles but I guess the next time you might need surgery you'll be fine with the doctor not wear protection when he cuts you open. For go gloves for the doctor also.

Surgeon's masks have nothing to do with
respiratory viruses.

@BDair suddenly you believe medical literature? Why?

@rainmanjr As corrupt and politicized the
published journals have become, they are
still the only standard some people will
accept as a valid source. I have to use them
in support of my arguments, as they can not
be easily dismissed.

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As new Covid-19 variants keep coming, and so far at least, the newer variants are less deadly than the previous ones, it is courteous to mask up in public if you have symptoms, to keep whatever you might have from spreading. In some Asian countries, it has always been courteous to mask up if you had symptoms of a cold of flu. Would it really be all that terrible if we became as courteous and masked up when sick to prevent others from getting sick.

On NPR, they talked about other viruses, one of which, although not as contagious, yet, has about a 70% fatality rate. As of yet, because it hasn't been all that contagious, it has been limited regionally, although it is an airborne infection and can be spread from person to person. They are working on a vaccine just in case it breaks out more than just regionally and becomes more infectious.

We got off pretty easy with Covid-19, as there are a lot worse diseases out there, and pretty much any airborne pathogen is likely to spread worldwide as well. It is just a matter of not if, but when, we get hit with something a lot worse.

From what i have seen ,most people who are still wearing masks, have serious personality disorders,not all of them .. but it appears abnormally high

And i mean this before even seeing one of them.in a mask , being really cruel to a co worker

Others who are still in masks who don't have these problems, still i see a hurt inside them ,like they not bad people.. but can see it in their eyes

As fàr as science goes, overwhelming evidence is against masks, that's why most people other r than the most psychology vulnerable ,ones with difficult personalities,or yhe awkward, anxiety ridden... They're still in masks

Abd yeah bull gates warned that the next virus will he worse when released by the terroristts ,yep.. he Said this ... Thinking he is all sly , cause i know and others know it is him and his ilk, Jeffery Epstein's ilk that are the terrorists!

Dare you to look up sm101 and genome project and Jeffery Epstein and COVID 19 vaccine ingredient.. its all fucking real

@laidback1 Funny, it has been my observation that it is the persons who object to others wearing masks who have serious personality problems. They7just can't leave people wearing masks and minding their own business alone. The masked people who have issues usually have low immune systems and their concerns are therefore usually justified.

My sister wears a mask whenever she goes out in public, but she also has long Covid, and doesn't want it to get any worse by going reinfected. Yet, there are people who will go out of their way to give her a hard time for wearing a mask.

@snytiger6 if your sister wore goggles to protect her eyes from chlorine in a pool and the goggles have holes 3 times larger than the water molecules , those goggles are going to fill up with that water, and her eyes are going to burn...

That's how masks are. Holes 3 times larger than the virus particles

@laidback1 I tend to look at masks being like an air filter on a car. Some particles will get past the filter, but the filter still stops a lot of crud from getting into the engine.

Masks won't stop everything, but you can reduce the risks, and the higher the quality of the mask the better it will work. Personally, I have a stash of N-95 masks. However, I only wear them when I visit a health care center or lab anymore, where I ma most likely to be exposed these days. However, if a more virulent variant comes along, I'd wear a mask whenever I went out. Wearing an N-95 mask means I reduce my infection risk by at least two thirds or more. I hate wearing the mask(s), but reducing my risks can be worth the inconvenience.

@snytiger6 and that's your choice.

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You are allowed to spew whatever bile that you want as we are also allowed to ridicule you for being a stupid dickhead troll... at least don't be a dickhead cuz you can't fix stupid. I would not want to advertise my ignorance...

It is time for you to crawl back under your rock as most sane members of this platform have already blocked you ...it is time.

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Those nasty Covidians. Masks keep me from spitting something on you and they might protect me if you hocked a loogie on me.

That is essentially why surgeons wear masks.
It has nothing to do with respiratory viruses.

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Experts said....

BDair Level 8 Feb 16, 2023

Cloth masks are very different than an N-95. The break down is an N-95 mask worn correctly is very effective at containing the virus an infected person spews when coughing, singing, talking, etc.

I notice three people in the video, but it is edited to only give one viewpoint from just one person?

Studies show that wearing masks will reduce risk of infection. That is why doctors wear masks in surgeries.

The type of mask determines how effective it is. A thin cloth mask does not provide as much protection as an N-95 mask. It makes me wonder if the statement in the video wasn't edited to remove the context of the statement.

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Bandages are useful. So are masks. But for the most part masks are psychological bandaids. They make the wearers feel better. So let them. What’s it going to hurt? Just as long as they remember to discard them, change them, wash them, etc.

I watched at a hospital in San Antonio as the mask police chased down an older man who wasn’t wearing a mask. Meanwhile, just outside the valet parking attendants entered and exited vehicle after vehicle without washing their hands. Close contact with steering wheel after steering wheel, car keys passed between one another. Humidity levels elevated and no one gave a second thought to what they were doing to one another in their car orgy.

But everyone felt better when they caught the old guy and masked him up!

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BDair Level 8 Feb 16, 2023
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It's seems amazing that once we think the anti-vax rhetoric has abated here it comes again on agnostic. It would be funny if it were not soooo sad.

Just in case you have reading comprehension deficiencies,
I will explain for you that this post is about masks, not vaccines.
Although, just like masks, vaccines have proven to have zero effectiveness
in preventing infection with a respiratory virus.

These anti-maskers cannot explain how there was almost zero flu that first fall of the outbreak when nearly everyone was masked.

Yes, actually we can.
There was no flu, because every ailment they could think of
was called a Covid case. This is well documented.
The Vaccine Apologists can't explain why masks
completely eradicated the flu, but did nothing to stem
Covid cases, even after jabbing much of the population.
If you read the medical literature cited above,
you will see that masks have never had any measurable impact
on reducing the spread of a respiratory virus.

@BDair People think the Dodo went extinct but they are wrong. The Dodo is alive and well in today's world.

I have not spied any Dodo birds in these parts,
but here is an elephant nesting in a tree.

@BDair Look in the mirror.

I checked. I am not seeing
a Dodo in my reflection.
Your comments reflect on someone
that is exhibiting less than an expected degree of maturity
and intelligence.

@jackjr ...and BDair is a specimen.

@Flyingsaucesir It would be funny if it were not so sad.

@jackjr tru dat

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