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Despite having more information available in the world today than ever, and freely. There seem to be many, perhaps even most, who are happy to admit they gave up on learning long before middle age.

And perhaps it is not entirely their fault if they are apathetic. Since there are huge industrial complexes, not just religion, but the consumer advertising industry, media of all sorts, and large parts of the state and politics as well, which are devoted towards keeping people ignorant and immature. All basically for the very simple reason, that since, well educated, mature and mentally healthy people are not usually needy, they do not often buy anything much at all, no product, no fashion, no luxuries, and no hateful ideologies. The products needed by those who left childhood behind, peace, temperance, knowledge and learning, being cheap and fairly easy to gain for yourself, only children are full of wants.

Have we in modern culture built a machine for making people infantile ?

Fernapple 9 May 12
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Problem is it's not just knowledge about such and such but also experience. Some of the most important lessons are learned through experience and no computer can provide that. However, I did have an experience I got from sitting at the computer too long. It's called the piriformis syndrome [my.clevelandclinic.org] This malady is most common among office workers who sit a lot.

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I was just thinking today about how many people might just stop learning, because we now are at the brink of having AI inform us of any subjects we are curious about. BUT then how do we know if what we are being told is true. We have to know enough to fact check and do a bit more research on our own to verify what we're learning.

Being skeptical at heart is good for me, and to be a bit of a critical thinker is wise, but sometimes I think of all the stuff I learned that is now just easily summarized with computer research, a lot of what I learned may have been a waste of time. BUT that learning gave me the basics to be able to tell if what I'm being told is something I should believe and if I wonder, I can always learn more. Being curious is good.

Laziness (or I like efficiency better) keeps me doing things with the least amount of effort, saving my mental and physical capabilities for more fun things, the older I get. I'm too careful to fall down any rabbit holes at my age, so maybe it's better that I'm easily amused with entertainment and just enjoying life.

No need to unlearn courtesy and getting along for hateful ideologies, at my age, but I do feel that there are huge numbers of people who don't feel whole, feel they are missing something important in their lives, and so are seeking something to fill their minds with, anything. Maybe for those, if they don't choose more education, then mindless entertainment would be better than conspiracy theories and divisive politics and gun culture, etc.

Maybe those who choose to give up on education are best just set in front of the television for light entertainment and old movies, not ads on their phones or computers targeting their worst instincts and gullible minds.

Yes I quite agree. But are not "conspiracy theories and divisive politics and gun culture, etc." exactly the same thing as light entertainment, just the most damaging bits of light entertainment ? Surely the most important thing to learn, is, how to learn.

@Fernapple Your idea of light entertainment must be different than what I had in mind, haha! I'm thinking just mindless entertainment, comedy and feel good stories, not violent movies and stories that are too far fetched. Personally I like entertainment that makes me think, and yes maybe curious about subjects I want to read more about.

Teaching, even in the form of entertainment, can be good and inspire curiosity... but I guess it could also go the other way, inspiring cults, serial killers and worse, whatever the entertainment includes.

Good thing I don't run the world, as I have very few answers. I'm just happy to be content with my life and be able to learn as I wish, and also have the time to research anything anyone is trying to sell me, whether ideas or products.

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In my life i noticed that friends who didn't attend college are less likely to continue their reading/education now. If you recall when we were children there was a lot less important things to know, less to learn and the less educated you needed to be to understand it all.
There is SO much more to learn, the world is more confusing, growing and changing so quickly that what we learned yesterday my be obsolete tomorrow. Bosons, black holes, anti-matter etc. Tons of stuff.
Computers are one thing you cannot possibly know all about it if you have a life. There is more to a computer than sending emails and looking at memes. If you decide to widen your computer knowledge you're going to have to drop another interest.
There are topics for me that are so time consuming to learn and I can't read one source for a well rounded opinion. I don't have that much of myself to spread around. I make do with simple answers that cover a broad answer to things. I am not much interested in religion. I never have been. i read nothing about it and only care if it's horrifically mean to people spreading hate
I dabble in a few topics that are in my interest zone but everything else is on my to do list. I am busy with life in general, people I meet, my dogs, my cars, my money, Ameritrade, looking at homes I'd like to live in I watch movies a lot. Where in a day is a minute to study what's happening in the world? I hate Donnie so I'll read anything that a clown says or does to make himself more pitiful than most.
I've read a lot of important novels, Dantes inferno, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, I was told not to go to my English class because 3 of us were very well read & were told just bring in a review of a book we read from the seniors list. I always loved to read. But how many more books are there? Which are important to read? Why? Says who? Is it biased? Lies? In know life is about learning but it's so much information one is likely to pick and choose. I don't think anyone is trying to make us infantile, we are mostly struggling to keep up

What really matters does not change much, and there is a lot of it to learn, or not if you like. But if you are struggling to keep up, then you have been sold the fashion product, as an alternative to true learning. A lot of that stuff is worthless, and it is easy to know that it is worthless, because real learning teaches you to avoid struggling to keep up, and to enjoy the learning process as life's great joy.

@Fernapple I'm not struggling to keep up because like everyone else I have to be selective with my time. I could learn more about climate change and how life in the ocean is fading away, a tremendous loss of intelligence with it. Is BIden a thief or do I have to spend a day looking up articles written about him? Why, after 20 yrs are there still dogs/cats in shelters? There's one big DUH we never actually solved. I have my own dogs, my own dog training, my age and pain level, my fkd up family, and I'm not reading worthless crap I don't have time for that. Neither do a lot of people. I am interested in Hawking but barely understand a lot of his math. There are authors I read but certainly not for learning, more for entertainment. I don't care if I keep up or not with everyone's opinion they're like assholes everyone has one. Things that matter like anti-abortionists, gun control, the death of children because MEN do not care. There are men controlling a woman's right to her own body, that shit changes all the time. First we had back alley abortions, then we were allowed abortions and the religious fknuts brought us back to the 1960s and YES important things DO change. The world is not a static symbol. The more I learn the more disgusted with humankind I become. All the attempts to fix things end up so discussed it's disgusting.

@K9Kohle Then you are still learning , which is good, and exactly what so many do not care to do. And the reason is because you do care.

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I cringe when I hear people,mostly women, talk about " retail therapy". They think that buying stuff will make them happy. It probably does for a while then they have to buy more stuff. The whole consumer society thing is very sad.

Yes it is very sad, however there is a certain joy in getting something new but only for a very short time.

I can't afford "retail therapy" but it often makes me happy to see all the things I can do without. I'm currently in "purge therapy" mode, cleaning out my closets to get rid of things I no longer need or want. I'll probably still be left with a pile of stuff I don't need but just can't part with.

One thing I can't part with are my books, which I should re-read someday, since I've forgotten the details in them, but the gist of them remain in my psyche. Just looking at their titles reminds me of the lessons learned from each.

@Julie808 [businessoffashion.com]

The fashion/clothing industry is probably the most wasteful of all. Tons of used and unused clothing ends up in land fills every year.
I buy most of my clothes from T.K. Maxx and have to search through dozens of items that I can't imagine anyone wearing to find a decent pair of jeans.

@Moravian I live in a retail deprived community, with very few stores, so not a lot of choices. For clothes, we have a small Macy's and 2 Ross stores, plus Costco, Walmart and now a Target, plus some tourist boutiques.

I go to Ross on Tuesdays because of the senior discount, but seldom buy anything anymore. My closet is already full of clothes I thought were a good idea once. I tend to wear the same 10 outfits in various combinations most of the year, so really need to give away some of the clothes I have that are 15+ years old. I don't need to impress anyone.

I did buy a new dress a few weeks ago to wear to a concert, and have actually worn it about 5 times since then, so it was a smart purchase. That means I should toss out 5 dresses I haven't worn in years. Trouble is, I tend to try on all the clothes before I put them in the charity bag, and some get put back on the hanger because they still look good, even though I'll never wear them.

Yes, I know what a hoarder is - I'm trying not to be one, but I don't have to share my closet with anyone anymore, so while my mind says simplify and purge - my closet space says sure, there's room for this glittery thing you'll never wear again.

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Some people...

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Absolutely, well said.

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I think that people used to made better use of their intellect in previous generations because they had to. It is simply too easy to be intellectually lazy today. People plug themselves into their cell phones as if they fear the challenge and anxiety of reality. The brain/mind atrophies like any other underutilized muscle. AI will soon fill the vacuum we have left it.

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It use to be that school was considered a drugery, and it was a punishment to "have" to go. Now I listen to grandchildren, and greats, and I don't get that as often, however still those that have difficulty learning, have a hard time with it, (having to go). Some, I think, are allowed to be let slid if they resist too much, when perhaps those are the ones that need the most creative teaching.

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Naw, folks was already infantile. The machine has merely evolved to meet their infantile needs…..🤨

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Perhaps type of education also matters. When education was rounded, children developed their innate curiosity. Now "education" is teaching a child/youth to pass exams by rote learning.

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My husband and I were talking last night about something his mother did. A few years ago, she sent a few strands of her hair to some lab that supposedly analyzed it and in return, told you all of the foods that you're "sensitive" to and shouldn't eat. She wanted us to do it as well, but my husband and I are skeptical of most things (especially what his mother does) and the whole thing just seemed weird and unnecessary, so we declined.

Last night, I came across a video from an actual, board-certified allergist that explained why those tests are complete scams. He said that those tests base your "sensitivities" on high levels of what are called IgG antibodies in your blood. Not to be confused with actual allergy tests that look for IgE antibodies. Here's the kicker, the presence of IgG antibodies in the blood is a normal response of the immune system after eating food. What the presence of IgG antibodies actually shows is a TOLERANCE to foods. It is an indicator that you've eaten certain foods recently or eat them often. These tests have never been scientifically proven to do what they say it supposedly does. They are literally charging you hundreds of dollars to tell you what you eat.

Ignorant and/or uneducated people often just latch on to whatever baseless information they find because it supports their opinion. No amount of explanation or fact presentation will change their mind because they are completely incapable of critical thinking. Unfortunately, there are those who exist who live to take advantage of those people.

Can you imagine if what you are saying that it would be the opposite? Think if those hairs actually did say what she and others are allergic to, not that I am saying it is true, however the whole point is to be curious about everything.

@Jolanta I get your point, but that wasn't the case. It's perfectly fine, even healthy, to question things. However, when you accept information without considering all possibilities, then you become a fool.

That's what I'm saying she did. She just accepts whatever baseless information supports her opinion, regardless of actual fact or scientific evidence otherwise. She never ever considers the possibility that it could be false.

Companies and organizations wanting to sell us things we don't need depend on us being ignorant so they can convince us we need it.

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I have always lived by the adage that knowledge is never heavy but carries a lot of weight.
Learning for me is the only reason for my existence. I continue to study.
I find it hard to fathom, in this world of so many mysteries, how people can just switch off and go coast along mode into old age and death.
Now with the advent of A.I, human intellect and learning will become that much more undesirable.

I regard myself as still having child attributes as I am still learning how to live my life and will until ........

Yes it is really perhaps the difference between a child like moving forward, and a child like stasis.

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I see this idea fully. The modern consensus is to sell you something. The appeal they pitch at us is all juvenile to say the least. I know what I want and need and I'm not easily persuaded otherwise.

As for what we learn and what we know, this changes almost daily for me. I'm finding that our brains do cherry pick our memories. I think this is how legends are born and created. Things I know from 20 years ago might take on a slightly different meaning. It took me over 20 years to learn that the real first name of Hank Williams was Hiram, for example. Maybe they suppressed that. Maybe not. My memory of a family event in the past might be altered slightly by talking with others at the same event. Some things are created outright by others. The boss that taught me computer remembered coming over to my house, he said, and there I was wearing my baseball hat backwards. In those days I wore no hats at all of any kind. Time and events are also distorted by history books and the memories of others. A relative once told me he remembered a certain event very clearly but he did not remember me there at that event. The memories of one are not the same as others. Time, history, and event are not a place that you visit. Everything is just there in your mind. This is why religions today are so fuct up. Keep in mind that people even kill for religion.

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