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Why do you think some people have such an aversion to homosexualtiy, trans etc. Is it an innate almost like an unconscious reaction from our past or is it a learned thing from society and religion? Is it because for life to exist and evolve it all procreates from plants to animals and everything in between?

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As the study shows there is NO inate hetero disgust response so it must be conditioning and fear of the unkown i suppose.

Nickbeee Level 8 May 8, 2018
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I saw a meme once that said; Homophobia, the fear that a man will treat you the way you treat women... I think that sums it up nicely.

Remi Level 7 May 8, 2018

Ha! Amazing.

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Not every organism engages in sexual reproduction. Not every sexually reproducing organism engages in exclusively heterosexual sexual interactions either.
As far as I'm concerned, hate is taught, not inherent. I think to suggest otherwise is to give hateful, ignorant people a pass for their beliefs.

Mea Level 7 May 8, 2018

Do you know of a society where alternate sexuality has been accepted as normal?

@Aquaeyes, unfortunately I cannot think of a society where "alternative" sexualities are widely normalized.
Although, more developed countries tend to be more accepting of sexualities other than heterosexual.

@Aquaeyes Most pre-Christian and native cultures are accepting of the range of sexuality not limited to Western culture’s pinched and narrow model. For instance, many Native American cultures recognized two-spirit people whom we might calls transgender. They would live in same-sex marriages which were respected like any other.

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Homophobia is the direct result of someone who is deeply in denial of their own homosexuality. It's the classic case of someone hating most what they can't stand in themselves.

This is why you always see these anti-homosexuality preachers getting caught in a parked car by the police trying to pay some male prostitute for a blowjob.

webbew1 Level 7 May 8, 2018
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think there's too much other stuff to be concerned about. than who fucking who.

kenriley Level 8 May 8, 2018

Amen to that.

Real talk!

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I am clearly missing the gene, seeing people happy and in love seems to me far more preferable than other possible outcome. As adults we learn to accept that everyone is different...everyone. There are billion ways to be normal. So be happy when you see adults in love in whatever form it comes in.

Amisja Level 8 May 8, 2018
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Hatred of any kind must be taught. ?

I believe all emotions are good and natural if they exist in an appropriate context. Hatred of the act not necessarily the person. Hatred of racism is good. Hatred of the person is bad.

I have an ingrained hatred of asparagus!

@arnies were you abused by asparagus as a child ? Just askin' ... ?

@SimonCyrene yes maybe as an adult too

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Other people sexual preferences is none of my business....

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I feel people in general are afraid of people that are different than they are. Its. the same way with people who have physical or mental challenges, or people a different color.

Stevil Level 8 May 8, 2018

Was about to say the same, agree completely.

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I think the ones who seem to hate it the most have a little too much interest in it so get loud about it to hide their real feelings. I am not interested or bothered about a person's sexual orientation.

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Religion runes peoples lives. Im gay atheist and proud of it.

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I think people tend to believe what they're taught. If you're taught to be an intolerant and close minded bigot you'll be one and vice versa. Most people don't have the courage to reject their foundational beliefs and form their own belief/value system based on evidence they gather themselves.

skipsy Level 3 May 8, 2018
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Like racism, homophobia isn't something you're born with—however, it is something you are taught. Environmental and societal doctrine, determines ones worldview.

Sometimes I wonder if homophobia is so deep in our psyche that we react to it like some kind of instinct. We either get over it because we are taught or enlightened to over come it. Or we are reinforced to hatred by society, family, religion or other ways. Why do some people go bat shit crazy with hate?

@Aquaeyes it's projection right—we tend to hate what we harbor/want for ourselves. More times than not, people who are overtly homophobic, possess latent homosexual tendencies themselves. This is also applicable to racism too.

@Sapio_Ink To your point about projection, I tend to think everyone who says same sex attraction is a choice is bisexual. It’s a choice for them!

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It's definitely learned. Homophobia and sexism are woven into our society so deeply we feel like its naturally occuring but the fact that societies that don't have those issues exist/have existed shows its not innate. Racism and zenophobia exist across societies so those are probably functions of our biology, though easily addressed by more open societies with a lot of exposure and education.

Thanks blindbird. Are you able to give some examples of societies that are as you described?

@Aquaeyes the ancient Egyptians had a very egalitarian society sex wise as did the ancient gauls. I seem to recall that african hunter-gatherer tribes were reported to as well. I've been trying to find an article I read once about societies in ancient india but I can't locate it on the web. It may be in one of my anthro books. Might take me a while to hunt that up.

As for societies that were accepting of homosexuality you need look no further than the Greeks, though many native american and middle eastern cultures were quite accepting of homosexuality as natural.

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Edit: forum software seems to be dropping the word Cath-o-lic at the moment. I'll edit them back in, but of they disappear again, that's why this doesn't make sense.

('th-in' and 'lo-ng' disappearing, too.)

You just have to see the panic that sometimes comes out of the Catholic Church over this: "Make it okay to be gay, and everyone will be gay. Who will make all of the babies then?" Catholicism has a problem with anyone who doesn't look like they're going to turn out to be breeding stock. It's figured out that it should put its gays in charge of PR and sends them to convents and seminaries. It hasn't figured out how it can use trans people yet, so it's still massively opposed. The reality check is that even If being LGBT+ suddenly became stigma free, the vast majority of the population would still be either straight or bi. Babies would still be made. But the Church loves a bit of drama almost as much as it loves hoarding wealth.

Everything else stems from how this religious fixation with breeding projects into everyday society. We've come along in leaps and bounds, but so many LGBT+ people are still in closets, for fear of how others might react. Religion generally doesn't teach that you shouldn't have any same sex interest, it just teaches that it's temptation from [insert devil figure here] and must be resisted. I saw an interesting documentary about Mormon men who openly admitted to same sex attraction while striving to be practising heterosexuals. It's the action rather than the desire that's the sin, apparently. Once again, religion gets its way, it gets those people breeding, and puts future generations of bums on pews. It's not the temptation but the failure to resist that makes you a bad person.

There are plenty who are fighting those demons. The strongest homophobia tends to come from people who have homosexual urges themselves, and who either indulge them in secret and feel the need to smokescreen, or resist while secretly envying those who give in to temptation. And that's the story behind many a US anti-gay politician who gets caught with his trousers down with a younger male aide.

I believe everyday homophobia and transphobia stem from the fact that most people are potentially bi, and after a few drinks, with the right person, would go both ways if they'd let themselves. Of course you do get a handful who are at the binary ends of sexuality, but I suspect for most, there's an element of resisting temptation to deviate from their chosen binary path (and homosexuals get this just as much as heterosexuals - they're under similar pressure to conform from their community that straight folks are from society/religion.)

Yes, there's an element in male homophobia of predatory men not liking the idea that they could be prey. Meanwhile, a lot of transphobia comes from the unsettling conflict they discover in being attracted to the feminine presentation, while being revolted by what's probably underneath it.

The way I tend to look at it...
Homophobia: fear that you might fancy them.
Transphobia: fear that, after a couple of drinks, they might fancy you.

Even if 100% of the population were gay the evidence indicates that there would be babies made. Folk want babies, not just sex. Not all folk, but enough.

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If you are a believer in an omnipotent Gawd, then the only gawd-like conclusion is that your Gawd made these people in his/her/its' image, it should be blasphemous to denigrate them.
If you are a real atheist, your attitude most likely is, "none of my business"
The only thing I can conclude is the haters are afraid they will somehow become infected with beliefs/life choices other than what they were taught, which is a sign of stupidity.

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They secretly love cock

Simon1 Level 7 May 8, 2018

Bill Burr smile009.gif

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I saw a videotape of a pheromone experiment.a while back. They did two tests.

In one they sprayed a gal liberally with male pheromones and another female liberally with female pheromones and unleashed 5 guys and 5 gals upon the victims to see what would happen. Pretty much what you'd expect: 4 of 5 guys went for the gal with the female pheromones, 4 of 5 gals went for the girl with male pheromones.

The second experiment is what you'd expect: they sprayed down one guy with a liberal application of male pheromones and another guy with a liberal application of female pheromones... and this test reflected the first: 4 of 5 guys went with the female pheromones, 4 of 5 gals went with the male pheromones.

In each case, they went where they were more attracted by scent.

Note that in each case they reacted with aversion to the opposing pheromone. 4 of 5 women were not pleased by female pheromones and 4 of 5 men were not pleased with male pheromones.

No, not a definitive test but it does imply that we are wired (that wiring may be hard or soft) to be attracted to one and not to the other... and thus if you see relationships that double down, if you will, on the one that you are not attracted to, you might not have the nicest reaction. Especially in a time when it's not the norm AND when elements of society promote poor reactions to same.

I say we are learning and will get to a place where we are allowed to like what we like and react in a 'ho hum' manner to that which we aren't particularly fond of. We just aren't there yet.

Gnarloc Level 7 May 8, 2018

I have a poor sense of smell so I would probably go for the prettiest female whatever. smile001.gif

@Gareth I appreciate the humor, but pheromones, I understand, don't work in the normal 'smell' way... so, it's at least possible that you would detect the pheromones without detecting any odor... and, no, I am NOT an expert so, who knows, maybe I am so far off base, I a'm two games over. smile001.gif

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I have no idea dude. What 2 concenting adults do in the privacy of their home is not my business and shouldnt be any others either.

Proto Level 6 May 8, 2018
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Religion has taught them this, ignorant people who do not understand science and medicine and some who are not sure of their own bodies.

Marine Level 8 May 8, 2018
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Learned/societal. Consider the three major forms of Buddhism. Although homosexual activities may be in one degree or another considered sexual misconduct, there is no general consensus regarding issues of the LBGTQ community and one is referred to the third precept which basically says: Aware of the suffering caused by sexual misconduct: I undertake the training to refrain from using sexual behavior in ways that are harmful to myself and to others. I will attempt to express my sexuality in ways that are beneficial and bring joy.

A general conclusion may be drawn that homosexuality appears to be not an issue in many cultures and religions. On the other hand, Abrahamic religions in general are against homosexuality and the opposition covers a broad spectrum from simply trying to discourage people from engaging in such behaviors to actual execution. Contrast that to the "savage" indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere who had an entirely different view of acceptance and in some instances actual reverence. The Two-Spirit concept was a general notion on both the North and South American Continents.

All cultures have come to us through the long process of evolution, so it is quite apparent that views on sexual identity have arisen mainly through cultural worldviews and those have been strongly influenced by the dominant religions of their various regions. I think my personal testimony can help underscore this: I was taught as a young child that there are multiple ideas about sexuality in the world, but that all people are people nonetheless. That is to say, however a person identified themselves was unimportant, but how they conducted themselves was. I am a straight male, but have never developed any negative opinions about those who identify in other ways. Outside of my home, I was of course exposed to all sorts of prejudices, but happily my home education prevailed.

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a lot of it is cultural--some religious--some peer pressure--some afraid to confront their own sexuality--we have a lot more pressing problems than who people choose to love or have a relationship with

Karenl Level 5 May 8, 2018
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I think it's partially a society thing, but also maybe just a little bit too much thinking about other people's intimate sexual moments. What I would say to someone wondering about that is this: No matter what your sexual preference is, do you actually look at every couple you see (hetero or gay) and imagine them in bed? Not likely - it isn't your business. Let people love in the way that feels right to them and mind your own love life.

Julie808 Level 7 May 8, 2018
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Aversion to non-cis, non-hetero sex is purely the result of cultural conditioning. Human sexuality is NOT primarily for procreation. Less than 1% of the 100 million or so sex acts estimated to occur daily are fertile. That’s a lot of biological energy to expend for something with such a low success rate. The other 99% of sex acts must be for something else, and indeed they are. The primary function of sexuality in humans is social bonding and pleasure. Reproduction is a side effect for a certain range of those on the spectrum of gender and affection. Tying sexuality to reproduction was a parsimonious way for evolution to kill two birds with one stone, but pretending they are exclusive is, well, unscientific at best.

ejbman Level 7 May 14, 2018
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I get irritated because I'm sick of hearing about it all - that's my aversion. Why do all the variables (can't be bothered getting all the LNBT'sS etc listed) insist they are interesting to others? They ca do their own thing - I don't need to know about it

VLove Level 4 May 8, 2018
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