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As an Atheist, I would like to know if others who also do not believe in a god get tired of arguing with believers. Sometimes I wonder that by arguing what is clearly a delusion if it only serves to legitimize that delusion.

Greenheart 7 May 12
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I used to argue because it was more of an ego trip for me. Lately, I've come to realize that arguing rarely changes anybody's mind, but more often makes people cling to their faith more tightly. I'll engage in conversation if others are willing to be open-minded about it, but taking a hard stance against religion is getting exhausting.

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I just don't argue with them. At most they will get a snarky SNL Church Lady like remark of "Well, isn't that special." or "O.K. You shared, now leave me alone."

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I don’t argue with believers. If they are persistent in preaching at me, I explain that their efforts are similar to trying to explain how the color seven smells. I understand their words, but I have no idea what they mean. If they continue past that, they get muted from my life.

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I know I get tired of debating believers.

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You can't prove a negative. Therefore you can't prove God doesn't exist. I generally avoid arguing about the existence of God(s) and instead adamantly defend that morals are rational and logical and not derived from the supernatural.

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I can agree with that. It’s like when Bill Nye agreed to debate Ken Ham. I thought this will only strengthen Hams arguments that we have something to prove.

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I get tired of it quite often, and don't do it as much as I used to. I suppose that my greater participation here rather than on sites that god-botherers more often frequent, reflects that trend.

Well ... not so much tired as bored. It's been a long time since I've seen a new argument from apologists, and I've never seen a viable argument.

To the extent I still participate it is for the benefit of the lurkers, not the actual posters. The rule of thumb is that in general there are 99 lurkers for every active poster. Many of those are people with doubts about their faith, who are afraid to participate as they don't want to admit, even to themselves or anonymously, that they are questioning their own faith. It's a strong taboo.

Also, a post with misinformation from a fellow unbeliever makes it more likely I'll reply. Sometimes unbelievers are rather naive about either their understanding of what they are critiquing, or are needlessly unkind or even unfair in their critique. I try to respond where I can add balance. However -- my definition of "unkind", "unfair" and "balance" has changed a great deal the further I've gotten from the faith. I used to be overly sympathetic to the tender feelings of evangelicals in particular, as I used to be one. But I eventually freed myself from the specious notion that simple disagreement has to constitute an existential threat, much less unkindness or disrespect. That's a gambit they play all the time to deflect inconvenient truths. I no longer buy into that.

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You don't have to argue with them. Absolutely no point. There's lots more interesting things to do in your life.

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I just get tired of getting looked at like I am the crazy one for not believing the old rib woman from the dust man cursed us all by eating the fruit that the man in the sky said was forbidden because the talking snake said it was ok.

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You cannot win with them. Just recently online I posted that I stopped believing in god when I learned that god watches you crap. Somebody posted back to me that god watches me crap whether I believe in him or not. I demanded evidence of that. His reply was that I crap so much.

They get stupid because they have no evidence of anything.

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I do not argue with idiots. If some spews some gibberish sounds like gawd geebush lard or ghostholes I ask them to wake up from their bad dreams and explain with evidence and logic what their concerns are.....failing that I declare I do not give free mental health counseling to religious people. ...maybe they will get lucky and ask for help in the Emergency Room from an Atheist psychiatrist

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I don't argue with anyone about it - I have no qualms in saying "it doesnt interest me a jot so either talk about something else or I'm off." I don't suffer fools gladly.

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I've found i feel much better to let them say what they will, believe what they want, and i really don't care what they say, think or feel, as i am who i am and have what i have and believe what i believe without needing any approval or any "blessings" from them !

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Good point Greenheart. These Christians are think they know for sure they are right but they have no evidence of anything. I attend church to spend time with my wife but and sit there in amazement that people actually believe all that God crap. Reely??

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Ironically I find myself constantly arguing and at odds with fellow nonbelievers lol

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I don't argue with them. Their opinions have absolutely no value to me at all.

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I rarely waste my time debating religious people. All it does is raise my blood pressure or frighten me.

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Nah, not worth it. Neither of us are going to change the others mind. If they're curious I'll explain why I have no belief but that's about as far as I'll go.

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It's pointless. In my experience, they want to argue with me. Faith can't be argued. Respect their right, they're often very smart, or well educated (or both) people. It's hard not look down on people who believe in fairy tales. However, it is important to remember that belief in gods have created the world's greatest monuments, most revered art work and ironically, advanced science and carried human kind foward in many ways. In contemporary society, with modern science at our fingertips, religion seems even more ridiculous, impedes knowledge and advancement, however, inspiration comes from believing, or having faith in the impossible. On that singular way. There is some commonality. There are many scientists who believe their work leads them to believe there must be a god(s). Faith and reason can never be argued. They operate on completely different psychological planes that will never meet and never intersect. It's pointless.

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I know i got tired of it a long time ago. When I was first developing my refutation, (I was raised a christian) I looked for any chance to debate a believer. After a while, all their arguments were so predictable, and so ridiculously easy to refute, that I got tired of it and just started leaving them alone. Now days, people really have to goad me into an argument, because i really don't give a shit anymore what they think.

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It is so annoying because no matter what you say they already have their mind made up. It's like they don't even hear any words you say.

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