In order for a country to be socialist it requires a lack of economic freedom.
In 2018 Canada ranked ahead of the US in economic freedom. Hong Kong came 1st, Canada ranked 6th and the US placed 18th in the world. Yes, that's right.
It is a capitalist country, with social programs built in, offering public and private schooling as well and public and private health care. We have a social democracy, which is not to be confused with a socialist society.
Please tell me, is this news to you?
I post this question based on numerous direct messages I've received here asking about Canada. The most recent: "What are your feelings regarding the difference in our societies? The capitalist society of America vs the socialist society of Canada?"
Answer: Canada is not a socialist country. This has been a bill of goods American politicians have fed the American people as a scare tactic to win elections. No Canadian feels "un-free." We own our own homes, cars, businesses and can travel wherever we want, when we want to. It's true that we don't have to worry about going bankrupt over medical care, which is greatly liberating. The Canadian government also spends less on health care than the US government. There are many great countries in the world, but I couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
I would love to live in Canada except for the weather. Do they accept immigrants from the USA?
It is not dissimilar to the US in that you need to apply for a visa. Special skills, a work permit, schooling, marrying a Canadian and refugee status all qualify for residency here.
All the provinces and cities within them can vary vastly, so it's important to know in what kind of place you'd like to live.
@Athena problem is the weather. I lived in Ohio most of my life and hated the weather. I live in Texas now and love the warm weather.
@confidentrealm
Well, that is understandable and there is no changing the weather.
Vancouver gets very little snow, if at all in winter, and it's set by the ocean and beautiful mountains.
@Athena I might check it out. I've been to Ontario in the winter and froze.
No Canada is not a socialistic country, but they are not Lilly white either.
On trade they want to appear to be free market advocates but in fact they are not, "Canada uses supply-management systems to regulate its dairy, chicken, turkey, and egg industries. The regime involves production quotas, producer marketing boards to regulate price and supply, and tariff-rate quotas (TRQs) for imports. Canada’s supply-management regime severely limits the ability of U.S. producers to increase exports to Canada above TRQ levels. Under the current system, U.S. imports above quota levels are subject to tariffs (e.g., 245 percent for cheese, 298 percent for butter).
The United States spends more on national defense than China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, France, United Kingdom, and Japan combined. While the chart above illustrates last year’s defense spending in dollars". This could be the reason Canada can spend so much on Health Care. Piggy backing off the United States when we are protecting its citizens.
On immigration many Canadians believe our ration policies are cruel. Canada's immigration policy is merit based and bias toward rich business men / women and the highly skilled work force.
Then there is the environmental aspects of Canada. They don't seem to have a problem polluting the Great Lake's. Even going to far as to endanger them by piping oil under the Mackinaw Bridge.
In conclusion I would just consider Canad to be yet another ungrateful country
Aw.. someone needs a warm Canadian hug.
The US spends more on its military than the next 13 nations combined... And the US wouldn’t have it any other way!
America WANTS to be in charge of the world and arbitrate all its issues (in their own favor!).
So don’t complain about it!
Canada puts price floors on the farming industry (like the Yanks don't. Many states have minimum prices on milk, for example)
The Yanks subsidise their farming industry. Then they bitch because the Canadians won't let them dump the product.
Which is worse?
And yet Canada sends more troops into harm's way on peacekeeping missions. (Compared to just invading places and breaking shit, which is actually an easier task.)
And while we’re at it, none of the European countries often cited by the US right are socialist either - Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, UK, France, Germany, etc. All are social democracies with fully functioning capitalist economies, and all often have right wing governments, as does Canada. The only one of them that has right wing governments that consistently seek to erode the social democracy is the UK. The Tory (Conservative) Party would prefer that we were more like the USA. It’s a constant struggle.
Agreed. I left UK for Australia 11 years ago and can't imagine what the social structure is like now
@Geoffrey51 Falling to bits mate. Absolute tragedy.
@KevinTwining Such a shame. I used to live in Hastings which, like a poor man's Brighton, had quite an eclectic community, especially the the Old Town. Probably a bit crap mow I guess
Love me some Canuckians.
Way more socially democratic than we are is my impression? When are you guys going to invade us? Please????
Yes please. That being said, IDK why Canada would want to take on such a massive problem child.
@Blindbird Yeah, we high maintenance boo...
@Qualia no joke
It sure is a hell of a lot more Socialistic than we are, but Socialism is, sadly, threatened in Europe these days and I believe it has a lot to do with Russia. I am sure they were behind the Trump victory but also were instrumental in "Brexit" and are working hard to influence other European countries. Putin wants to destroy NATO and return the eastern bloc to the fold. Make no mistake about it. there is no connection between Socialism and Totalitarianism (Putin's X KGB mentality). The USSR or Stalinism called themselves Socialists but they were Fascist. The US has equated Socialism with Communism since the fourties (and especially the Fifties).
@SACatWalker You're quite welcome (if you're not being sarcastic). The problem with Social Media is that you can't see peoples face and eyes when they "talk". L.O.L.
I would really like to state something and this is supposedly the place to do it since the word socialist is being used. Any time people get together to perform something that affect the group that is a socialist act. Socialism has had many bad proponents in the past. There has been National Socialism, what the Nazi's in Germany tried in the early half of the 20th century and which is thought to be great by many today, there are the forms of socialism that form political parties in Europe and other countries, these seem to be working to some degree within the systems that have put them into power. In order for Socialism to exist several things have to come into being. First there has to be a place where the idea is seen to be a good one. What ever this is it has to be democratic, of all the people, for it to be sustainable, there has to be a manner in which the efforts and contributions of all (and I mean all) can be of benefit to all. There can be people who become wealthy, but they cannot have power over others because of this wealth. It would be great if there was a manner in which the abundance of wealth could be reinvested back into the economy so that it makes all better off. A Question: What would happen if we were all allowed a way to have clothing, food, shelter, health care, and some other necessities so we can all be taken care of in at least a minimal manner? Could there be a way for anyone with an idea for a new business or a new means to care for people, or for there to be a way to make sure everyone was cared for and made to be able to contribute something back to society? I will stop now since I am starting have my thoughts ramble and I may not make sense. Please reply with any and all thoughts as I am interested in seeing what others think. Really.
Again, the only “ism” that matters is HUMANISM !!
The problem with "National Socialism" is you can just put a word anywhere. I often come back on people who think Nazis were leftists because they had the word Socialist in their name that the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea must, by their same logic, be the freest country in the world, three times as free as a regular democracy.
Also, the so-called (by people who should know better) "Socialist countries" are actually social democracies. Now, you may disagree with their policies, you may think their tax schemes are not the best, but don't be so damned disingenuous by calling them Socialists.
People need to learn what the heck "socialist" means before throwing it around like a bad word. that would start with the OP's clumsy definition as well.
a lack of economic freedom is not the definition of a socialist country. it may be a characteristic depending on what you are observing and comparing it to - but the term itself means simply doing things for a social goal or in a social manner. thus either the ends or the means will be social ... that is directed towards satisfying a group of people vice an otherwise-specified goal or method. nothing more.
now if you wanna get into means of production and ownership then we should bring in the word communism to show that these 2 terms are different. communism is one way to run a country in a socialist manner, but not the only way. thats why it is called "scientific socialism". ideally you want a economic method that is a fusion between socialism and capitalism. socialism to keep the state functional and protect the workers with some capitalistic tendencies to promote growth and investment.
yes this is true. I don't know why 'socialism' is such a dirty word. There is certainly a lot of misinformation being fed to people. Socialism is a good thing when it provides free health care, education and other services that come from our taxes. Australia has been described as socialist but it's not at all. Let me go to Denmark. Democratic socialism for me.
@MsDemeanour because of a decades long propoganda war that many americans have bought hook, line and sinker.
I applied to immigrate to Canada 8 years ago subsequent to my divorce seeking a new start on life. But I didn't have enough points to qualify for approval. The Canadian immigration attorney said that the only way I could qualify was if I was to marry to a Canadian woman. Sadly, I no longer have the resources to go now. But I would move in a heartbeat if I could.
I've been there a few times and I was impressed with the people and government compassion for taking care of the citizens.
Americans are largely uninformed, ignorant, and brainwashed. This is not a criticism, rather a sad observation. In a dictatorship, people know the leader lies, and he knows they know. It is a giant game. Think North Korea or Saddam's Iraq. In the US, the lies are more subtle and large parts of the population buy the lies totally. To cite just one example, working class people voting for Trump, who turns around and guts social programs while giving 85% of the $1.5 trillion tax cut to the top 1%.
A good primer is to read Chomsky's essay on Manufacturing Consent, which explains how the process works.
I've skimmed over this but thank you. It's a reminder to read it properly! While I don't agree with all of Chomsky's views, I admire him greatly and use him as a reference in furthering my understanding on many issues.
The people who message you are confused about both countries it seems. USA is an oligarchy.
Quite true.
"socialism
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Sounds terrible, doesn't it? How would all the plutocrats, oligarchs, militarists, imperialists and corrupt politicians feather their nests?
Canada runs on a capitalist economic system with some elements of socialism built in which are designed to cater to the public good.
It's what the United States used to be before religious and massive private interest groups infiltrated our government and turned us in to a theocraric plutocracy.
Using the word socialist is simply a way to scare uninformed voters away from federal programs that would benefit everyone. It is being used much as the word Communist was in the 70's and 80's. Now before everyone goes off on me, I'm not saying Communism and Socialism are the same, the tactic is the same.
And I do not consider Canada as a socialist country, simply smarter than a lot of them.
Socialism, in regard to whether America or Canada is socialist, is over-hyped. Obama was "accused" of being socialist, yet the nation was overwhelmingly unsocialist for his entire term: it was just a GOP political label to demonize him. The truth being, pure capitalism does not work, and it's up to the propagandists to convince everyone that we are leaning too far towards socialism in order to maintain pure capitalism. This is part of the corruption of America.
Capitalism most definitely works for the capitalist 1% and their ilk. IMHO
You can't have a socialist country without a degree of capitalism if you're going to run on a currency system. The entire point to having a government is to govern the tribal tendencies of humanity. Even a full blown socialist government will be open to corruption and hording of wealth. Capitalist use socialism as a means to scare the population into the belief their free market ideology is the only way that works. There's nothing free about it when it provides the means to monopolize. Capitalism mixed with neoliberalism eventually leads to fascism. And Canada is presently experiencing some afforded movements along with Europe towards those changes. Follow the issue with these trade deals closely! They are simply a means to help corporations make more and take more from us! "Out Of The Illusion "
"The entire point to having a government is to govern the tribal tendencies of humanity. Even a full blown socialist government will be open to corruption and hording of wealth."
Borrowing this.
A friend of mine was born in the U.S. but moved to Norway (where her father was born) as an adult. Norway is a socialist country. Canada is not.
Pretty much. Many right leaning americans relate socialism with communism...but they are not the same, not close at all really and every capitalist (democratic) country has some degree of socialism as far as I know. Socialism exists in a spectrum within an economic system, capitalism or communism or authoritarianism even (Cuba).
There is a reason most capitalist countries practice socialism to a greater degree than the US. I think because the govt's job in a democracy is to do the best for the most people...that is how they get elected. The US is starting to resemble and always has to some degree, a corporate oligarchy, more than a social democracy. There is corruption in all political systems but here it is pretty much in the open with big lobby groups "buying" law/votes by creating narratives across media that scare enough people into choosing their platform. Guns, tobacco, oil/gas/energy are all the most obvious and have been around the longest, many of them since America was a country. The healthcare industry is massive, especially true here in Nashville, and essentially run by insurance/pharmaceuticals essentially. It is why drugs cost more here than anywhere else in the world even though many are developed here., er, the legal drugs...the illegal ones are just a market to market thing.
Canadians pay more taxes on average. I think my EOY tax payments were probably 25% in Canada and somewhere around 15-20% in the US (thanks giant mortgage). However in addition to that 8% we pay "sin" taxes on things considered luxuries...alcohol, tobacco, gasoline, etc. Because these are burdens on the healthcare system the government has decided that those that indulge will pay more thatn those that do not. It actually makes alot of sense and is common
A country is like any system...you are as strong as your weakest links. If you can put everyone on more or less equal footing it strengthens the nation. As a result the education system is highly subsidized all the way through university and obviously the healthcare system is almost exclusively a publically funded program. Better educated and healthy populations can provide better workers and opportunities for all.
Not to mention the Patriot Act reduces the personal privacy freedoms of Americans in the name of "security". Your govt/law enforcement/court has a much greater ability to access and share your information,no matter how private, than they do in Canada. I can't speak for other countries but I am sure they are closer to Canadian privacy than the US version
Many of us view Canada as a positive blend of all the industrialized democratic countries. If only winter was a bit milder
There is nothing wrong with Socialism. Canada is not a socialist country. They have Universal Health Care which the US desperately needs.
I am turned off by societal tags like "socialism".. I have some really good friends who are either Canadian or American he spent a lot of time in Canada but now reside in the states.. all of them say that there are several advantages and conveniences of living in Canada. The ironic thing is that the Americans who spent significant amount of time there prefer Canada. And the Canadians that are now living here prefer life in the states
I don't believe socialism requires a lack of economic freedom. In fact, a capitalist society that subsidizes it's largest corporations through tax breaks, hand-outs, and protectionist legislation limits economic freedom far more than a socialist country that tries to level the playing field.
I think Canada is more advanced than the U.S. in every way that matters to most citizens. I don't think it's perfect, but Canada would be a good model for us.