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Why are some atheists angry?

I know some of you will answer, "because religions turn people into dicks", I paraphrase and boil it down to a general colloquial type response.

Richard Dawkins is the poster boy for the angry atheist. Why? Probably because he is like most of us and has discovered with compounded evidence that it is stupid to believe in a crazy god, in the case of the Old Testament's JEHOVAH and the whacked GOD THE FATHER who killed his own SON. To be honest, I don't believe Jesus ever existed.

I'm not looking to bother Christians and they've learned, in short order, not to evangelize me, therefore, I am not angry at them except when they VOTE, otherwise, we get along royal because they know I am a righteous "pagan" and consigned to the First Circle of Dante's Hell.

No anger is always appreciated by everyone. If a Christian is angry at you, don't feed them. If we get angry, we are just like the anger thrown at us. In this, I am a "better" Christian than a Christian asshole.

rabbibubba 5 Dec 26
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Don't confuse anger with an assertive, confident and questioning attitude to religious practices and beliefs. I don't accept your characterisation of Richard Dawkins. All movements need change agents, those who lead the charge, take on orthodoxy and take the blows because of that. The media stereotype him that way because mainstream media are part of the establishment structure that supports religion. Religion is good, religion gives people something to believe in. Controversial figures are neutralised.

I agree. Dawkins is very analytical and speaks logically. He only sounds abrasive because he's not deliberating how what he says might be offensive he just succinctly describes how ignorant it is to believe certain things in light of what we know i.e. creationism over evolution. Now the truly angry atheist archetype would have to go to Christopher Hitchens. An evangelist said to him "Christopher, I don't consider you my enemy" to which Hitchens responded "damn either you don't know what the enemy looks like or I'm not doing my job." Paraphrased but certainly an accurate example of Hitchens's core antitheist position.

I have seen some clips of Dawkins expressing unmistakable anger at the nebulous concept of "religion", and vehemently calling for its utter destruction. He and Hitchens were religious ideologues, not just citizens without belief. And the other horsemen ride not too far behind. @SocraticAddict

Let's not assume that anger is always a bad thing. There are things in the world we should be angry about. Aspects of religion should make us angry. Ask someone who was sexually abused in a religion whether they are angry about it. They have every right to be.

I don't see anger here, but strong opinions and views amongst (mostly) similarly minded people who share a 21st Century more robust attitude towards religion, in contrast to the often deferential 20th Century attitude towards religions which did nothing to ameliorate the rise of religious based terrorism, religious fundamentalism, and gross abuses by churches and their hierarchy.

Of course there is such a thing as righteous anger, but there is also such a thing as misdirected anger. When the wrong culprit is targeted the guilty go free. Dawkins is brilliant, and right about most of his complaints, but his target is too broad to be effective. He’s trying to indict an evolutionary adaptation for the sins of common ignorance, and he should know better. It is his anger that obscures his view. @David1955

@David1955 You said it right, here “Aspects of religion should make us angry.” Yes, aspects of religious behavior, fueled by ignorance and cultural drift, but not the larger umbrella of “religion” as Dawkins constantly says.

@skado. I disagree, I have seen Dawkins speak and seen the hatred spewed at him from religious people in the audience. I do not think his target s too broad, I think many religion should stay out of schools and away from sciences. I cannot imagine his frustration with Religion trying to suppress biological evidence. Personally I HATE religion, but I am not angry.

@Teresa Your right. Dawkins goes beyond boundaries that atheists didn't go in the past, like religion in schools, and bringing up children as a Catholic child, or Protestant Child, or whatever, and he's right to do so, and they, religionists, don't like it. Too bad. A great many, like me, agree with him.

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If some atheists are angry, and some angry people are Christians does that mean that some atheists are Christians?

lerlo Level 8 Dec 27, 2017

????that’s awesome

Lol no it's means that they're human. (snark intended)

@Nickdavison The real answer is just "no" but thanks for playing our game, lovely parting gifts. Last I checked everyone has the right to be angry--seemed like a dumb question so I added one of my own.

No, it means some angry people are atheists, and some angry people are religionists, but they are not the same people. 'Tis logical, Captain.

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Yeeesh, if you think religion is an innocent thing with which we should all calmly coexist, I am a little shocked. All throughout history, the major abrahamic religions tore through cultures to destroy everything that was not "kosher" (no offense). They burned people, libraries, priceless works of art, scientists were tortured, and every single thing in the name of progress pissed them off. Problem is that this behavior is still happening in developed countries! In Russia, if you "upset the feelings of a christian" you can get up to 5 years in prison. There were some boys who played the one Pokemon game in a church and we're tried for blasphemy. If you get the chance, watch the movie Agora, it's a wonderful movie (based on a true story) about how religion seeps into a culture and destroys it from the inside.

Rabbibubba, when you open a reply with "Young woman," your condescension oozes obnoxiousness. Jenwinter made some good points, and you simply pulled the ol' age-ism ploy to claim to invalidate her. Also, how do you presume to know what she does or "will ever" know? You can't with any validity. Bad move on your part.

Obviously "<i>somebody</i>" here is expressing anger with elitist passive-aggressive smug snobbery. Maybe he needs a diaper change.

@SKDeitch I was going to say I missed something

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Dawkins may be assertive in condemning religion but every time I have watched him he has been very courteous to the religious. One of his best videos is where he reads letters from the religious written to him in the vilest language possible and makes lite of it. It appears that you are saying to make arguments against ridiculous superstition but don't get angry at the person making the argument. From my observation of Richard Dawkins, that is exactly what he does.

gearl Level 8 Dec 27, 2017

Thanks for saying that. Quite right. Dawkins gives measure for measure, but it's the arguments he attacks, not people. I've watched him in the world, not in formal debates, talking to everyday people (for want of a better word) and he's unfailingly polite, if they are not used to a camera, even if they are talking twaddle. But in formal debates, with credentialed people spinning garbage, he calls them out on point, and rightly so.

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I can't speak for all, but I know religion is still negatively affecting me even though I've left the church. As you mentioned at the legal level which is annoying as hell. However it also has a major negative effect on my personal life.

Nearly every friend I had as a child is no longer my friend because I became an atheist.

My mother disowned me when I had just lost my job and my apartment and was a week away from being on the street. I begged her to let me stay with her for a month or two while I got back on my feet. Her exact words to me were "letting you into my house would be like letting Satan into my house."

I just found out through the grapevine that my little sister is pregnant with her first kid. It's bitter sweet news for me. I'm happy for her but sad because I know she will allow little to no contact between her child and me.

That said, none of my sisters speak to me. Ever. Because I disagree with their religious views I'm "bad association".

The direct effect on me aside, my sisters are super intelligent and far more motivated than I am. They Could do amazing things with their minds and their lives if they weren't chained down by some imaginary friend and the fucking cult that worships it. They have one life, and are wasting it on nothing.

That's why I'm angry. That's why I hate religion and fight against it every chance I get.

And where, might I ask, would they get the idea that these actions are ok if not from their religious doctrine?

I'm not angry a at the word religion. I'm angry at the ideologies in this world that promote such disgusting actions.

Further, I know first hand that those who are indoctrinated truely believe they are doing what's right. That's not to say it makes it ok but there's an obvious difference between someone being a dick for the fuck of it And someone who believes they are risking their immortal souls by associating with someone. It's manipulation through fear. They are victims of religion just as much as those outside of the church.

Of course there are many who use that fear to manipulate people for their own gain and those people I do hate.

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Why does anyone of any religion get angry. Because they feel disinfranchised, I know for instance that the Christian religion pushes for forgiveness "turning the other cheek" while some athiests don't have a set Creed for that. What form of paganism do you practice?

@rabbibubba How many omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent atheists have you met?

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Is that a picture of the Bryce Canyon area ?

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Sorry dude, IMHO your take on Dawkins is off. Maybe you're projecting; don't know. But his determination to stand for truth will always be interpreted as aggression by the defenders of religion who see any disagreement as attack.

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I don’t think it is angry per say, to some degree, but if some atheists are angry, I reckon it is probably because atheist for so long has been dehumanized. Atheist are the least trusted and to make matters worse, we are expected to believe in an insane God, who could not have possibly be the ruler of our Universe. Religion really is an ugly thing and for so long, they’ve forced their rules on people.

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"There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion." I actually have pity for those trapped in religion. I only get angry when they try to translate their bad ideas into actions that negatively impact others. If you're going to pass legislation that requires people do or not do something, it needs to be based on verifiable, objective truths. I support mandatory vaccination, for example, but vehemently oppose bans on homosexual marriage.

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The question of "angry at religion" gets interpreted different ways. I've have my share of Christian proselytizers jump to the conclusion that I'm "angry at God." Nothing could be further from the truth. How can I be angry at something that doesn't exist? What I do get angry at is social injustice and hurtful oppression and coercion of people. And guess what! Religion is arguably the number social tool used to try to control people; not only people, but laws, public opinion, and unwritten social rules. Anger is a valid emotion. It is also a motivator to spur people to action against destructive forces. Yay Anger!

"...arguably the number ONE...," that is. I can't seem to get away from typos. :/

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When I first came out as an atheist last December, I was angry. That is gone now. Now it's just comical to read about the devout Christians.

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When you feel righteous, everyone else is an peon that should listen to you. To brake this horrible cycle, simply admit that you are human.

No need to break any cycle if I am in fact both much smarter AND much more well-versed on a given subject. Some people are indeed simpletons with an opinion who need to be called out and shut down.

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I am angry because conservative so-called "religious" people are using their fake christianity to manipulate and control the rest of us.

Mostly of course in the political arena. I try not to get angry so much as more logical and very pedantic.

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The only source of anger would be when the religious attempt to force their fantasies on us - as they have done for 2,000 years, except then, they killed you unless you confessed to love their god. It still happens in other counties. I get angry when a little girl is forced to have genital mutilation, when legislators make and enforce laws that are based of their religious belief which they are sworn and baptized to hold above all laws of the land, when god is used to harm people and the environment, when people, who do not want to be helpful give you 'thoughts and prayers' though they never pray - though sometimes beg their fantasy saints.

And the muslims still DO kill you.

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And, who says that Atheists are "angry", the Theists do, not the Atheists that I know and I know literally Thousands, if not, Millions of them.
Theists make a point of throwing false accusations at Atheists, they make a point of insulting, deriding, debasing and threatening Atheists, as I have had done to me personally innumerable times, with absolute impunity.
Atheists just simply try to get their ideas/thoughts, etc, across to the Theists and it is the Theists who become irascible, angry and threatening, not the Atheists.

If you click on his name you get
"Rabbibubba is not active or does not exist"
I think he was a troll. Or maybe worse - a religious person!

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My being angry has less to do with me being an atheist, and more to do with the fact that I don't like stupid people.

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It's stupid to believe in a crazy God? The only kind I can possibly believe has any influence on the world as it stands is a spiteful and malevolent one. A benevolent God? Utter nonsense. When children are born with terminal cancer, that isn't 'moving in mysterious ways', that's having no influence, not caring, or not existing in the first place.

I have a lot of anger directed at Catholicism, because my mother's Catholic bigotry towards people like me is something I've had to grow up with. I know it's by no means the worst of the Christian faiths in this respect, but I take Catholicism's behaviour very, very personally. Especially when I've watched friends of family discover their child is gay, ban him from having a computer or Internet access, and then 6 months later, he's mysteriously found the devotion to join a seminary. How convenient.

For centuries, Catholicism has taken its gay men (and women) dressed them in black, told them they can't have sex ever, ever, EVER, and then put them in charge of choirs and orphanages. I'm not linking homosexuality to paedophilia (as a lot of people assume when I'm saying this.) What I am saying is that if you deny someone (gay, straight or bisexual) a healthy sexual outlet, you gamble with the possibility of them finding an unhealthy one. Furthermore, Catholicism's understanding of sin makes it no worse to molest a youngster against their will than it does to have consensual gay sex with an adult. And then it wonders why it's plagued by child abuse scandals.

Fundamental to modern religion should be to do no harm. Those religions (and religious factions) that continue to harm people, intentionally or through lack of consideration of consequences, will get no respect from me.

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If a Christian expresses anger toward me, depending on my patience level at that moment, I may try to understand where their anger is coming from and speak to that. Maybe. It seldom has the desired effect, though, at least in the immediate present. If they are disrespectful to me with their anger, forget it. They get what's coming to them in that case, and I make no apologies. ..of course, when they're nasty, I am tempted to taunt them with: "You're just SPREADIN' the love of Jesus, aren't you?"

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It is in the individual's personality, not in the lack of religious belief.

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For the same reason the general population is. Some people are just always angry. But I'll bet it's a lower percentage in Atheists.

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Dawkins would be equally angry with an atheist who claimed to know everything about history as he would be with Ken Ham as president. Some people don't need religion to "turn into a dick." That "down the nose" view that condescending people have generally sparks anger in atheists and the "Christians" have been taught to defer to condescending people. It's odd that someone so wise doesn't understand this.

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I don't get angry-thats wasted energy. Walk away.

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Because when humans go to war... they have a tendency to end up similar to their enemy. There are some here and out of here at war with god and religion. It does consume them, really. Not Saying Right or Wrong. I just don't have the time to battle beliefs I rather do something else.

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I DONT KNOW...i will say this... it adds adrenalin. There's been times that anger was my friend and other times it threw me off guard.

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