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MEN: What would your reason be for asking a woman what she does for a living, upon meeting her?

I'm always sensitive to how men feel being asked this question right away by women. I don't ask, and I'm much more interested in learning other things about a man before knowing his occupation.

Imagine you've just met a woman, briefly discuss the weather and she asks, "So, what do you do for a living?"

I find men do this very often and I'd like to understand why, from a man's perspective. Is it that it's very important to you, or that you don't know what else to ask, or is it that you think you'll learn about her more quickly, by knowing? If so, would you be stereotyping? Has anyone made certain assumptions about you that were incorrect, based on occupational stereotypes?

Examples: Lawyers are dishonest; Investment bankers are ruthless; models are airheads; artists are flaky; construction workers are not that smart; accountants are boring..

Women are welcome to comment! I am just curious to know the motive behind men asking this question right away.

*I'm adding to this, as I'm getting a lot of "Just curious" replies which I don't believe addresses the question. Why are you curious? What will it tell you, that you need to know, in the first few seconds of meeting someone?

*Thank you all for your replies!

Athena 8 July 8
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Artists are flaky? LOL I resemble that.

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On a date, maybe to learn her education or other things about her personality. One's job reveals much.

Not on a date, it's small talk or may branch to other more interesting topics.

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I breathe, eat , drink & be merry for a living. No not that kind of MARRY. =0}

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So work is something we do for a good portion of our lives. It's the start of a story. If I meet someone that is really smart and she is a waitress, that's interesting to me. Is money not important? Is she in school? Maybe she is a lawyer, do you work for civil rights, Chase ambulances? And then why? I think the why is more important.
Also, I have a curious mind, so I might know something about her job and we can discuss, but also might be able to learn something. The job we pick and why tells an interesting story.

JeffB Level 6 July 9, 2018
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I think people learn from an early age to put labels on everything and they like to lump similar things together, most kids will remember the Sesame Street game, 1 of these things is not like the others for example. So it is only normal for people to want to put a label on somebody they just met by finding out what they do for work because most people define themselves by what they do and by DO I mean work. This gives a whole pile of information about a person with just a few words because what we do often is an indication of how we think, what our income levels are, are we intellectually biased or more physically driven, are we extroverted or introverted, etc. etc. These are just superficial guesstimates because I have known structural engineers who are highly artistic and creative and artists who are very concerned with science and structure in their work or accountants who are extremely extroverted, etc.
When people ask me what I do for a living I now answer them in a way that is truthful but which suits me best based upon my superficial sense of what kind of person they are based upon looks, dress, handshake and how they present themselves. I might just say that I am early retired, or that I am a master builder, or a real estate developer, or a carpenter, or a writer, or a microbiologist, or a politician - all of the above are true but what I tell someone will depend upon who and what I take them for, what I might possibly want from them and just how I am feeling at the moment because I know that they will modify their opinion of me based upon which answer I give them.

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It's not something I would think to ask right away. Though if I were going to invite her to go outside to smoke some pot, it would be a good idea to make sure she's not a cop.

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I don't mind being asked what I do for a living. And anyone who is going to make assumptions about me is not going to be someone who is going to be compatible with me anyway.
I guess I ask the question as a small talk get-to-know-eachother type of question.

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Mostly as a means of rounding out the conversation and learning more about the person in question. Realistically, on very few occasions where I have asked, did the answer really spur the conversation to new heights.

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I would not ask the question as bluntly as you posed it. If I were to ask the question, it would be to add substance to my image of who that person is and what makes them tick.

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I'd imagine in many cases it really is as simple as something to talk about once the weather's been dealt with and awkward silences loom. Though I agree it's poorly thought out, a much more useful question would be what do you like to do with your spare time.

It's not a question I ask people, dates or otherwise, as I'm not overly happy being asked it myself. It's information better offered at a comfortable time, or at the very least asked at a point where it doesnt significantly affect what you've so far learnt about the person, once it's established that you basically get on and are happy sharing information.

Salo Level 7 July 9, 2018
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An unoriginal icebreaker, but it alludes to their motivation and education and perhaps interests, Women usually ask me within the first 5 minutes.

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It's a reasonable question. It says a lot about a person, and gives the other person some ground to make further comment.

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Women do the same, ask the very same question. I'm noticing it to be the first question they ask. I believe for a good portion if women, money and job status is a deal-breaker.

For me personally, I don't care too much what a woman does...her money doesn't mean a lot to me...drf. not a deal-breaker or even close. I want attraction in and out more than anything...andtrust w integrity.

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This is a good question! Most men do not have the conversational skills to "break the ice" and get to know a woman. As a result, they end us asking a lot of ham handed questions like, "What's your occupation?" or "What do you do for fun?"

When I was growing up in the 80's and 90's, there were simply no resources to learn this information and develop these skills. However, there is a lot of create content for today's younger men to learn these skills.

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As a man I generally hear it before we would even meetso what's the problem

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I don't see how expressing an interest in an important part of a person's life should be threatening. Or even, particularly, how you can avoid it coming up fairly quickly in any relationship the objective of which is to ascertain compatibility for long-terms intimacy.

I do know that outside of the US, total strangers meeting for any purpose tend to regard questions about what you do for a living to be intrusive and boorish, whereas to Americans it's pretty near the first question we ask. So from this, I deduce that at least in the US, a lot of the reason men ask the question is that they have been socialized to do so in a variety of contexts and they tend to regard it as a "safe" and acceptable conversation-starter. And let's face it, men are insecure and nervous about meeting and impressing new people, same as anyone, whether or not they admit to it. So they are going to gravitate to what they know to do.

When I asked this question of a date, I would not have been stereotyping. I would probably factor the answer into a rather complex calculus that includes many other factors. There's a big difference between women who have seldom worked, who do low-level work, executive level, professional level ... these things imperfectly signal ambition, curiosity, education, intelligence or lack thereof, but at the same time I would not assume for example that a stay at home mother was dumb or incurious or unlearned or that a successful professional was smart and educated. It would have to be factored in with other things.

I understand that is why someone appears to ask - I was hoping for a reason I can relate to, as I don't see it as a way to know. It misses so many aspects of someone. I work in an industry that is considered, by many, antithetical to who I am, my world view and the things I value.

I believe it possibly suggests two other things; either the person doesn't have much else to ask, or a limited ability for conversation (and not a person who understands how to build rapport and eventually real connection, i.e, why you do, versus what you do..), or they are trying to determine things about me by my occupation, and/or assessing whether they are interested in me based on my occupation.

Neither of these are of interest to me. I wouldn't fault anyone for thinking how they think. However, these reasons you mention are ones that I assume raise the question of occupation. You'll note, I specified that this is a question I find puzzling as an initial question. How someone spends their time is important, indeed. But at what point do you decide that?

If it's right away, I'm not that interested in getting to know you.

@Athena Well I hear you, but I don't think you can assume anymore from demonstrated curiosity about your occupation than the man can assume from your answer. Seems like a pretty innocuous question to me, and I would assume it to be so absent other evidence. Not everyone backs into building rapport and connection like you do. In fact, I can just about guarantee most men will not do it that way. We go from the concrete to the subjective, women tend to do the inverse. Vive la difference.

You seem defensive about how your profession is perceived. I can't speak for all men, but speaking for myself, particularly in this day and age, I don't assume much about what a woman does (or doesn't) do for a living. I had breakfast out this morning, at a little eatery next to a construction site, and a young lady in a hard hat sat at the table across from me to have coffee and breakfast. I did not assume that she was "not very bright" nor was I at all surprised that she was quite attractive. In other words I had no particular expectations of a female construction worker. I suppose a generation or two ago I might have expected more of a "Rosie the riveter" type in that role, but that has changed.

I have a son-in-law who is a house-husband and my daughter wears the pants in the family, as they used to say ... she is by far the major, nearly the sole, bread-winner. She's a nurse; that in itself is not a highly stereotyped and constrained role, and there are many men who are nurses today.

So it goes. I think you may be over-estimating how consequential particular jobs are, or how many are on a list of deal-breakers, in men's minds. Then again ... maybe I'm out of touch at my age or mis-extrapolating how younger men than I would think about this. That's just my $0.02 plus inflation, for what it's worth.

@HotAlutiiq Yeah there's that too. Seems like if you're striking up a potential intimate relationship with someone, what occupies a great deal of their time and how they feel about it is pretty consequential and also, not incidentally, a great way to express genuine interest in their life and experience. [shrug]

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Another thought-provoking question posed by you, Athena. Why am I not surprised? I think a woman's occupation could be a starting point for a "getting to know you" conversation but doesn't have to be. I don't know why so many guys start off in that manner with you. There are so many interesting facets about your personality. Your occupation would be just one beginning point. But if a guy saw the way you write or heard you speak (I'll have to imagine this "heard you speak" point for obvious reasons), then in my biased opinion they should go down a plethora of different avenues in pursuit of getting to know you. That would be my observation of the very-insightful you in particular. In general, I think it may be nervousness or habitual or just really important to guys who open up conversation with women this way. I guess it's really up to the individual guy.

Thank you very much for the generosity in your words and sentiment.
I'm currently single but haven't made any efforts to change that, as I ended an engagement not that long ago. Although things ended well and I don't feel I'm in recovery, so to speak, I've always taken long pauses between relationships. That probably has something to do with enjoying the state of being on my own, combined with giving the relationship the respect it deserves, i.e. metaphorically allowing the scent of one man to leave my home, before bringing in another.

These encounters I've had with men have been somewhat incidental. They range from friends arranging blind dates (initial phone call), to pulling up a stagnant online dating account to "see what the wind blows in."

Interestingly, the subject of occupation doesn't come up as quickly when I'm in social settings. It's only when they haven't met me yet, perhaps learning what they can, to decide if they'd like to. Occupation seems to be one criterion that needs to be met, in that decision making process, and therefore known immediately.

In the case where I have a written profile available, I would imagine that would provide adequate information to determine whether I'm someone of interest to them. This question they ask about my work, is so off-putting to me, that it's a non starter.
Many of my male friends haven't understand why, until I flipped the question as one posed to them by a woman.

When I'm in a healthy relationship or when I'm completely unattached, I'm in a state of pure gratitude and joy.. the process of meeting someone new just makes me want to take a nap! 🙂

Thanks again for your kind words.

@Athena I see, you are subscribing to only the dating part of this place.

@Ladislaver
No, I'm not dating. I'm only here for community.
This has nothing to do with this site.

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