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Incest: Immoral or Moral?

I was asked this question today by a theist. If there is no God why is safe sex between brother and sister immoral to an atheist? This guy was smart to add safe sex because it closed off my avenue to argue the health issue. So, I was thinking why is it immoral if it is consensual? I understand we find it gross but is that because of Christian influence?

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paul1967 8 Oct 12
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If for any other reason, aside from the birth defect/health issue, I just find it disgusting and unnatural. I can't imagine this occuring between people who weren't at least pretty sick in the head.

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JUST WRONG! Why do you think their kids have birth defects!

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havent studies shown that it always leaves people worse off even if no kids are produced?

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Because my Family Tree should Branch!!!!

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NO. This argument leads to one thing. Making it ok to abuse children by grooming them for years to be sex partners. Its grotesque.

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There is incest in most species.

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How is this a question? It happened in the Bible it was condemned. Maybenif last two humans on earth and you need to repopulate but even that’s fucked. I’d clone first. Sick question...

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I heard it said all the world leaders are related to royalty , all the presidents having the same bloodline . So if that is the case wouldnt they be interbreeding and having incest relationships to keep the bloodline pure?

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Where is the vote for "Neither moral or immoral"?

Morality is a human construct and not readily measured, and context has a lot to do with many "moral" decisions. Children from incest have a larger chance for genetic issues, so it probably isn't the smartest choice for a child bearing partner, but if you aren't going to have children, who cares? It is not my business to tally who is fucking who in this world, and I wish everyone else would stop because it shouldn't matter to anyone but the small minded who wish to gossip.

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I voted immoral because of the genetic concerns in future generations. I qualify this however by saying that safe sex practices and a "healthy psychological relationship" (if that's possible) would have to be used. This is something that I feel isn't practiced in most incestual relationships therefore incest in the practical sense is immoral.

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it is moral because it is between two consenting adults. otherwise you could ask the same question in the context of same-gender sex. it all depends on the dogma and societal do's and don'ts of your culture... some say it's immoral for two men or women to have sex. awkward, but not inherently right or wrong IMO...

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Perhaps mine is not going to be a popular opinion, but my moral compass is governed by the principle of doing no harm. If incest is consensual and they aren’t trying to reproduce, then it does not harm anyone and both consenting adults have a right to be happy.

You should ask said theist how Adam and Eve populated the earth. Or remind them of the daughters of Lot.

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There are two types of incest, consensual and forced. Forced could also mean that the more vulnerable participant was manipulated verbally and/or emotionally. Consensual incest implies that both parties are fully aware of the consequences of having a child with genetic aberrations is increased. As long as each party feels mutually respected and has the option to stop at any time, their incest is none of my business.

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I said immoral and it has nothing to do with religion. On the rare case that 2 adults not raised together meet and have sex, then find out they are siblings, either half or full, it's just some shitty luck. If they want to continue that relationship, then by all means knock yourself out. If they are raised together as brother and sister, then that's just gross and you need your head examined. Having sexual feelings for a sibling should not happen. It's part of being human to contain different and deeper emotions towards parents, grandparents, siblings and our own children. We love them, protect them and respect them. Animals in nature do not have this. No sexual feelings should come into play unless you are mentally unstable.

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I would ask him, "Was it moral or immoral when Josh Duggar... Christian... molested his sisters and Mike Huckabee... former pastor... defended him?" There was no penetration... that's about as safe as it gets.

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Are you nuts?

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Biologically stupid, and the quickest way to ensure future generations are subject to bad mutations.

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Safe sex is safe most of the time.

Not having a sister, and all of my cousins being happily married, it's not a realistic issue for me.

Just look at some of the royal families. It seems to me like a broad gene pool's advantages outclass breaking the taboos on family relations.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is inevitably fatal.

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To each their own really but I personally find it gross because it was bad enough having to hold my sister's hand after a quarrel, let alone touching each others nasties or cousin's for that matter..

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I voted moral with the mindframe that it's being done by consenting adults who are mentally and psychologically sound. If the consent is there, I don't care what other people do. Not necessarily moral or immoral either way. As long as they don't pro-create of course.

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The taboo against incest is confused by the religious element. The taboo serves a purpose. It is to insure that children will not be victimized, to have a childhood among family, without this threat. Obviously there is some threat to serial incest through birth defects( Google' Hapsburg chin'😉, but its main purpose was to protect children from family members.if two adult relatives decided that they wanted to have sex, I would say that is their business.

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OK, if we define it as between 2 consenting adults, and there is not the issue of in-breeding, I still have the eeeewie sensation. gross. Consider Albert Einstein and his 2nd wife, they were 1st cousins as their mothers were sisters, they were also 2nd cousins as their fathers were cousins. Cleopatra was the product of sibling incest that went back generations. So this question boils down to the definition of morality. I am against incest by gut feeling, yet the majority of my family and friends consider me immoral because I am divorced others because I am sometimes in multiple relationships. I am honest and open about it and deceive no-one and never cheat when in a committed one on one relationship, so that is ok to my own sense of morality, incest would not be. But am I right to judge another? Is it any of my business as long as their is no victim?

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I posted immoral, so I could comment. I think it is moral for consenting adults who do not have children. Immoral when it includes pedophilia, or among minor siblings because their ability to reason is not established.
There was a cousin, I fell in love with, late in my life and had it not been for the fact that geography and life circumstances made it impossible, I might have even married him. We would have made an awesome couple. I refused to have sex with him because it would have been far to difficult to end when we would have to be separated for a year at a time.

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There does appear to be an instinctive aversion to "incest". An individual is unlikely (although this research is decades old) to be sexually attracted to someone with whom they were raised. This obviously has exceptions and does not preclude the exploration small children perform or incest between blood relatives who've not been raised together (there've been a couple of very sad cases of this in the last decade.) The morality of it is dependant on your society, and often your status within that society. Are you a Hapsburg?

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I take the position of Lazarus Long

Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful--just stupid.)

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