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Will you help me settle this debate with my friend: can a Christian be a freethinker?

Me and one of my oldest friends were debating this. We're both non-theists, by the way. I don't want to bias the results... so I won't say what side I'm on.

What do you think, can you be both a freethinker and a Christian?

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silvereyes 8 Jan 8

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I voted yes-cultural Christian?

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With free in mind ultimately a christian has to answer to the higher power and have explanation for their actions. Where as a free thinker can express whatever they want with no fear of consequence.

There are plenty that don't believe in heaven or hell, or that their God is a judging/unfair one. And theres always laws to hold anyone back - for one, not everyone lives where freedom of speech is a thing (and theres definitely a lot of shutdown in the US as is).

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Going by the definition, you cannot. Some have claimed that you can be and that's how they transitioned. I do not believe this to be true. Just because the journey may seem longer than an instant, it's really not. Kind of like being pregnant, whatever your definition of pregnancy is, you are either in that state, or you are not. (e.g. If you consider it to be implantation of a fertilized egg onto the uterine wall, the egg is either implanted, or it is not.) The same is true for being a Christian. There are probably a ton of definitions for it, but I think there is one that makes the most sense: you are a Christian if you believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. All the other definitions that take into account teachings and practices fail us because they are so vastly different and contradictory. But if you believe Jesus IS God, it bypasses all the other junk. But whatever your definition, it seems as though you either are, or you are not a Christian. Either I believe that god exists and Jesus is that god, or I don't. Let's face it, if you kind of believe or you think he's part god, then you don't believe he's god. And according to the definition of freethinker: "Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or other dogma" it cannot coexist with Christian for there can be no belief in the divinity of Jesus that is formed on logic, reason, and empirical data.

@Jeff
The Bible either is the Universal truth and Knowledge or it is a lie. No thinking required, you got the sheep herders guild to the Universe. Why explore or think any more?

Since everyone lies to different degrees, and man wrote the Bible, then the Bible must be a lie.

If the Bible is the be all and end akl. If your God asked you to kill your son or daughter to show your faith. Would you without thinking?. I would kill God before killing my daughter, yet I don't have too, because I can't imagine running out of ideas to kill anyone.

Just look at all the graveyards and tombstones worldwide who died written in the name of God. What were they thinking?

@Castlepaloma I have no idea what your comment is about...

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I'm an ignostic episcopalian. I'm a free thinker. Happy to answer your question for you.

I'm confused, how can you believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ while at the same time claiming it is absurd to even propose to have a conception of god?

@JeffMurray Where did I say I believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ?

@Druvius How exactly are you Episcopalian if you don't?

@JeffMurray The same way anyone joins a church? Was that a trick question?

@Druvius Being a member of a church community is not the same thing as being a member of its faith. Does signing up on an atheist website mean someone is an atheist?

@JeffMurray So now you ate going to define my faith for me. We're done here. God bless. 🙂

@Druvius I'm not defining it, the tenets of faith are. Saying you are two things in an effort to prove those things can coexist (you said you were a freethinker and a Christian) and then backing out and saying that you're not one of the things (not a believer in the divinity of Jesus) is a waste of everyone's time. Plus the "God bless" is pretty non-freethinkery of you...

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Wow it’s 50/50 damn. Maybe we need a better definition for freethinker. It should not be evenly split.

Riley Level 6 Jan 8, 2018

free·think·er
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noun
a person who rejects accepted opinions, especially those concerning religious belief.
synonyms: nonconformist, individualist, independent, maverick; agnostic, atheist, nonbeliever, unbeliever; informalbad boy
"he has been celebrated as a freethinker and a rebel"

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some of the smartest , nicest people I know are xians and look at the world much as I do . They just love to be in a group setting . safety in numbers may be their modus operandi.

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If you'll take a stroll through my gallery?

I have two perspectives. One is the one I grew up in. Everyone is a freethinker...except faith..."accept faith son...it'll be much better." This was in one of many rebel flag flying neighborhoods, when the only identifications with it were rebellion and being southern in my mind, but most others not so. Affiliated or not, if you were there you were probably a white supremacist.

Then there are those among our scientists, artists...there may even be some clergy left...who...I guess have compartmentalized so well they can be at once our greatest intellects, humanitarians and philanthropists.

Except those "Pray, then eat" missionaries. Please.

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I'd have to see actual evidence of such a thing. Until then, I'll classify that like a UFO.

@TomasMcCartney Your god is not real to me, neither is anyone else's. Knock yourself out though. LLAP

@TomasMcCartney Okay, first off, I never called you a 'fool', or anything else.
I told you that I do not believe your god is real. As to the UFO story, I do not care.
I'm not interested in your testimony, or your beliefs. Enjoy your day.

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Depends on who and where you are on what opinions are accepted...but I think so. You can just believe in God and not really follow a lot of the stuff, not really believe the bullshit aspects of it I guess. Or you could follow it pretty much to the letter; thats definitely not very accepted lol. And you can certainly still base truths on logic and evidence and all that and still believe in a god.

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In a a world of infinite possibilities, discarding 1 or 2 or a million makes a small dent in the possibilities to consider. However, the little dent that most of these religions create is specifically important for politics and the treatment of others.

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A lot of Christain’s practice religion mostly because of tradition and don’t take it that seriously so sure a Christain can be a freethinker.

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