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Is living together an acceptable alternative to marriage?

When two people decide to live together are they really doing what is best for each other? If there are children who gets them when you separate? How do you receive child support if daddy or mom takes off?If mom does not work where does she get retirement benefits from if daddy takes off?What about property ownership?What about college for the children?

Marine 8 Aug 17
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As I see it living together only substitutes one potential set of problems for another.I have known of two couples that have lived together and when they separated they both had numerous problems regarding children,money,property,retirement income,child support,children's education, medical expenses and denial of visitation rights for the children. Atty fees were no different than going through a divorce. So why not bite the bullet do not make the children bastards and work on having a wonderful marriage.

Laws vary from state to state. For example in Florida retirement income is not divided if you are not married. Also there is no alimony if you are not married. So there are two less things to fight about in court.

Isn't calling a child a bastard an antiquated term? I never married my daughter's father and never in 28 years have I or anybody else referred to her as a bastard. Sincerely confused and a little offended by this derogatory terminology.

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My wife (we were married by a drunk judge in the back room of our favorite wine bistro) lived together for over a decade. We NEVER thought it was temporary. Marriage was decided on an evaluation of income tax return scenarios. My opinion: you're a couple or you're not. A marriage certificate is just a piece of paper.

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Before marrying someone, I would prefer we live together for at least 1 year (more would be better). Need to be around each other when one or the other is sick, tired, grumpy, angry, sad; find out or exposed more to each other's "bad" habits and living styles. I would rather go into marriage knowing as much about other person as I could. If we both accept each other after living together for a few years, then hopefully the marriage will last and we won't get divorced over something stupid like "irreconcilable differences" that a bunch of celebrities get divorced over because they marry each other too quickly. But even if neither of us wants to get married, that's fine too.

Whether you are married or not doesn't determine how well the relationship will be or how you will treat your kids. Married and unmarried people cheat on each other or leave one another; some people whether married or not make terrible parents. So it really depends on the people who are in the relationship if they want to get married or not; doesn't matter to me.

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All the questions you posed are easily dealt with. Legal papers can be drawn to cover all those things. Marriage is wholly unnecessary. In the event of a break-up, there would already plans in place.

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Acceptable to whom ? Who cares ?

All the same issues you stated, can occur whether or not people are married.

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it seems like married or not that kind of separation is hell for everyone except the lawyers.

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There are roughly equal pros and cons to being married or just living together. IMO with just under half of first marriages and well over half of second or third marriages failing why bother?

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So.. child support is filed for whether there is a marriage or not. The biggest issue is the ability to make decisions for your SO in the event on an accident. This is where power of attorney’s work. My brother and his SO have been together 10 years. They bought a house together and have a very strong relationship.

See above stories.

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Or you could be over analysing this?

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"Is living together an acceptable alternative to marriage?"

Don't married people live together, usually?

Usually yes, but I have several clients I've "married" who still years later don't live together, but remain married in healthy relationships. In some cases, they live 10 minutes a way but really like their own space, getting together daily. In other cases, they live in separate cities or states because of jobs or military situations and maintain a long distance relationship, with their marriage vows holding them together.

@Julie808 A much older friend told me how having separate bedrooms was great. Schedule, decoration,... was very healthy for them.

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First of all, if you are the parent you don't get to just walk away from the kids the law has something to say about that whether or not you're legally married to the other parent. Marriage does not prevent a parent from taking off. My oldest brother is a deadbeat dad. Being legally married did not stop him from disappearing on his wife and 5 kids. The working issues need to be resolved but rarely does any woman stay at home with the kids anymore. Who can afford it? Why shouldn't dad stay home if mom can earn more money and support the family? Property ownership can be done with two individuals not connected by marriage. College for the kids, again something to be discussed before you get them started. There is no real reason to be married in this day and age. I will never remarry, but I'm a long way from considering more kids.

Sorry see above in some cases you have to find them and that can be difficult. See my niece's tale above.

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Marriage may not be necessary for the relationship itself. (A piece of paper falls apart in hot water, but it's the strong commitment and devotion that make the marriage.) HOWEVER, for finances, raising children, taxes, social security, decisions in the operating room, etc., that piece of paper holds a lot of power and security.

As a stay at home mom, married 29 years, I invested 20 years raising my kids, working from home, making far less than my husband. Though we divorced many years ago, I am glad I will have the option of using 50% of his social security benefits when I retire, as they are higher than taking 100% of my own.

Same thing here. I gave up my somewhat less lucrative career to follow him around from job to job while he built a more lucrative one. I raised our child, and worked a lot of shit part time jobs because he didn't want Junior to be a latch-key kid. I spent endless hours discussing his career with him, giving him great advice and emotional support while he climbed the corporate ladder. Then he bolted. I'm back in school now. If we hadn't been married, would have been a different story but at least he has to spend a few years of his still six figure salary trying to educationally rehabilitate me. That said, I would not marry again. I look forward to seeing how I am on my own now, making my own decisions.

@seaspot_run Yep, me either, no desire or reason to marry again. Never say never, of course, but marriage is surely not on my agenda at this time in my life. When raising a family, marriage is a welcome layer of security.

@seaspot_run Bravo to you moving on in such a positive manner. I hope you are proud of you.

Thank you for making my statements relative.

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I don't see marriage as a requirement. Was with someone for seven years, lived with them for six. If anything, it becomes an obstacle. Of course, that doesn't mean you cannot get married eventually. George R. R. Martin and his partner, for example, waited 30 years. Never let the expectations of society guide your life. Do what is right for you when it is right.

It has nothing to do with society rather with yourself,children and finacial welfare of all concerned.

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For all of the forementioned reasons I'm a marriage only person.
In my opinion it's selfish not to think of the children.. these are lives and souls ?

@Morganfreeman legally?
I don't think so.
Children are always a victim of abortion or given away to orphanages or living an unstable life... this is how their lives are wasted. This is the truth that ppl pretend to be blind to see

@Morganfreeman You haven't seen how bitter,expensive and nasty it can become. My niece is working on her third atty,two years into proceedings and $45000 in atty fees with no end in site . It isn't as easy as you project it to be.

@Morganfreeman sorry but that's exactly what I mean. Knocked up women shouldn't allow themselves to be knocked up in the first place and no it's not their sole decision...

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I'm past all that but wouldn't rule out either.

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Absolutely, as long as legal steps are taken in financial and property matters.

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We’re not living in the dark ages. People co-habiting is the norm. Marriage should be avoided. Ruins everything.

Livia Level 6 Aug 17, 2018

Sorry you feel that way because you might be missing a great deal later in life.

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Marriage has social, legal, and financial benefits, but it also has drawbacks in all of those areas, as well. You have to do what works for you. Without marriage contracts, divvying up property and deciding custody can actually be easier, since you can avoid dealing with legal hurdles.
To each their own, I say. Marriage appeals to me for social and economic reasons, but I completely get why it does not appeal to others.

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Done both. Enjoyed both. Not afraid of either one.

Good for you. Hope you have family now as they become very important in later life.

@Marine A brother and a sister. That is it.

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Keep it super simple K. I. S. S! . No marriage no KIDS AND Yes to s wonderful bachelor life ?

As one becomes older the friends die off and it becomes more difficult to make new friends and sudden y you find yourself very lonely I am very pleased with my family which is very close. Without them my life would be completely different.

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Living together is completely acceptable. As for if you split, child support is done EXACTLY the same way through the system.

You have to catch them first,prove via blood tests that the child belongs to the father all which costs money then you face visitation rules court costs again and finally there is a loss in social security benefits and possiblity of pension rights My cousin is facing these things today at a huge expense and a very nasty breakup.

@Marine Divorce, parenting schedules, etc. costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars is not the norm. Otherwise, divorce would be rare because most people don't have that kind of money. And, I'd say most people (not all) are wise enough to see that being as amicable as possible is better for everybody. It sounds like your niece and cousin were quite unfortunate in their choices of mates and attorneys.

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of course

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In California, after two years of cohabitation a man and a woman are considered to be common law spouses, and the same rules apply as is they were married.

Even if they are deemed common law spouse's an employer can fight them in court when it comes to death benefits like continued health insurance, benficiary on life insurance and pension benefits unless the partner list them as a spouse on employment documents.

@Marine
True dat.

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Circumstances. Two of my kids lived with their partners prior to marriage. I wasn't opposed.
I really wanted my son to get married more than my daughter. My now DIL is the sweetest person and wanted marriage. It was important to her. To him it didn't matter either way, but he risked loosing her eventually.
My daughter, well she's a different person entirely. I think she's still navigating this relationship. They're engaged. It's not that I don't like my future son in law. I just see some hesitation. In the end I do pick marriage over living together. I just think you try harder to hold it together and make it work. I see way too many people changing partners every other day. Although it's not my business, multiple partners can be very confusing to kid's.

I agree with you all the way. Better to live together a short time than regret it for a life time.

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Certainly not necessary in terms of commitment. Perhaps if there are legal advantages. I think for a lot of older folks it is not financially feasible.

It can make a huge difference in Social Security and in pensions.

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