I think you are on the wrong website to be quoting he bible ?
I don't think that at all. Its interesting and worth it to discuss these things
@Grecio I don't think that believers are necessarily stupid. Many of them are not that interested in learning and science. They are intersted more in relationships, communities of us rather than putting it all together by by analyzing the parts while trying to understand the whole. We humans are irrational by nature and it's a good thing. If we weren't we wouldn't be human. It would make perfect sense to kill grandma when she becomes a drain on our resources that we could otherwise use towards the future generations but we don't that. We are not robots. Beliefs are a part of that human irrationality. Unfortunately, on a global scale, religious beliefs do more harm than good but that is the best evolution could do. I guess. Tribal instincts in the age of weapons of mass destruction are a bad thing.
@Gregory2 True to a certain extent but the question has to be asked ‘Why would people hold a position against those ideas?’ Far more important than the content
I thought it was a prostitute they were going after.
And if that’s the case, why not not the Toms.
Still stands to this day.
Adultress
@Sydland What I recall reading was that she was a harlot/prostitute. And when Jesus said "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone", a little old lady came up to the front of the mob, threw a perfect pitch that landed right in the middle of her face and she went down for the count. Jesus spun around and shouted "Mom!! You know what?,Sometimes you really piss me off, damn it!"
Randy
For the same reason that Hermey the Elf is practicing dentistry instead of building Santa's toys... both are fiction.
In other news, the Bible was written and edited by men who were a wee bit misogynistic.
Actually Santa was a real guy.
But Hermey the Elf was not.
@AndrewInVail True
@AndrewInVail Ah, the fatal flaw in the argument is that unless we have a full lineage of the Elven race we can only speculate. Hermey could well still exist in a land far, far away, we just don’t have evidence yet.
No, the Bible was written by men who were a whole lot misogynistic.
The men were also dyslexic they kept mean to write Dog but it came out backwards. And unlike their god — dogs are real and have been around a long long time
Given the excessive misogyny found in almost all religions and Christianity in particular, for the life of me I never understood why any women would go along with it
@DarrelScot It just blows my mind that there are fewer women atheist than men in spite of this.
@Trajan61 totally agree and thus my comment. in my circle of friends its mostly women who continue to be the church goers despite all the evidence of why it often works against their interests
@bookofmoron Just goes to prove women aren’t as smart as they think they are. ?????
@Trajan61 or maybe less cynical
@Trajan61 women generally underestimate themselves; whereas men are over confident. But ho hum.
The story is a very late addition to the bible, possibly only added in the middle ages, and even if the bible is not total fiction, this story almost certainly is. And in any case the woman is not the point of the story but only exists to show up the falsehood of her accusers, it would work just as well if she were a man or a thief or a murderer the details are trivial.
There is a very common hypothesis among historians that most of the more liberal of the Jesus teachings are the later additions, and that the hard line old testament preachings were the only ones in the earliest lost copies.
Excellent response!
As I see it, mostly fantasy books, written by who knows who, then interpreted to meet the wants and needs of evangelical assholes.
Believing in Jesus is like believing in Popeye the Sailor.
Actually he was based on a real person.
@PatrickKerr So is Popeye the Sailor.....my uncle!!!
That pericope to which you refer is not found in many of the manuscripts and, when it does appears in wildly different places. So there's a lot of textual doubt about it.
Putting that to 1 side, no one knows why she cheated. There is no information provided to tell us, for it's not germane to the author's aim.
The man under Torah would have been punished. He may not have been married. However, this pericope focusses on her so as to make the point that those doing the stoning are hypocrites.
The whole pericope is a moral tale about hypocrisy but it's probably a fictitious tale
I am always amazed at how the God of the universe is so interested in the sex lives of humans.
@Grecio Or what they eat. God, you didn't want your creation eat pigs or cows, why did you create them? Why? Why not ctreating just tofu since it is not a taboo? Or best yet, why didn't you make us get our energy directly from the sun? You know, the only source of energy in our corner of the universe.
All the New Testament is mostly fiction but that particular story is even more questionable as it is not in the most ancient documents therefore to take it into consideration is a waste of time.
Whether the story is fiction or not is the point: the point is that women (more than men) were stoned for adultery. In this fictional tale, the man was not stoned and no one even inquired as to whom he might be.
Historically, men have been blameless. Back in those days, women were either the property of their fathers or their husbands. Its funny though, cause it says: "He", when perhaps he was meaning all the out of control sluts.
Yes.
Just imagine something like this today.
The members of a jury can only bring in a 'guilty' verdict if they've never broken a law before ! Criminals would have a field day !
I think this injunction applies to sexual misconduct, not lying, stealing, murdering, etc.
Nobody wonders why he didn't just insist NOBODY should be throwing stones? By leaving the criteria open to personal subjective interpretation, he's still endorsing a situation in which it's ok to throw stones. Typical religious hypocrite. Violence is still an acceptable solution when and if I determine it is.
Catch my next post on why Jesus threw a temper tantrum and kicked out the moneychengers.
Why would you punish the man? Was he in another relationship and cheating as well? Did he know she was in a relationship? Not enough info. I don’t get it.
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighboors Wife"
Right after Jesus said that a meteor crashed into the ground leaving a smoking crater where the woman stood. Jesus looks to the sky, exasperated and says," Thanks Dad, I was trying to make a point."
LOL
It matters because it affected the lives of women for centuries.
Pretty sure I’m right on both answers
Hi! I believe in the word of God.
The black screen helps you relax when using the computer too much.
Because in Christianity, men matter, women are expendable.
Which Jesus? The White one, the Black one, the Korean one or the one cobbled together from a bunch of minor prophets to make the early Xstian religion?
He who is without sin, cast the first stone/
I don't do sin, I try to be good but I want to be bad, that's not a sin, it's just human nature.
The sermons I heard on this either ignored the inconsistency in the law or pointed to it being a set-up. Most of the sermons went on to hypothesize about what Jesus wrote and suggested he was listing all their sins.
Then the sermon would usually go to how even thinking bad things was the same as doing them and we are all horrible sinners.
Then the altar call.
That portion of the Bible is not found in any other the most historical versions of the Bible. Of course there are no originals of biblical texts. Just the copies of copies of copies of copies.
More importantly, this portion was probably made up by scribes who added it hundreds of years later.
Although this is not my opinion of women, most likely she was punished because women were well known temptresses since Eve.
However, to be "fair" to Biblical injunctions, the man is to be put to death, as well:
Leviticus 20:10: "The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"
Deuteronomy 22:22: "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then both of them shall die"
However, men were notoriously absolved for adultery for thousands of years before and afterwards. Men could have affairs and society turned a blind eye. Women were basically property and not given the same freedom as were men. The issue of paternity was also an issue: men were supposed to spread their seed and have as many children as possible for several reasons, one of which was to preserve the name and lineage. This is why men could have multiple wives; it also why a man could divorce a woman if she could not have kids. However, a man would not want to raise the child of another man born to his adulterous wife. This is also demonstrated in war when Jewish men could take virgin women as booty after a battle. However, he was not to have sex with her for a year; this was to ensure that she was not already pregnant by another man.
New Living Translation (NLT)
Numbers 31:18 Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Married women were put to death.
Women typically got the shaft when it came to sex. If a woman were raped in the city and did not cry out, both she and the rapist were put to death--never mind that he might have gagged her or she was in a state of shock.
In the country, there might not be anyone around to hear a raped woman cry out, so she was forced to marry the man who raped her and he could not divorce her because he had shamed her and no other man would want her.
Keep in mind that "rape" sometimes had a different connotation than it does today. It could mean premarital sex, not forced sex. If a woman and man wanted to get married but her father forbade it, being "raped" would have been an option to get married. On the other hand, being forced to marry a true rapist would have been torture for the woman.