There is a difference between religion and philosophies, whether they are left or right. You shoudl try to learn the difference.

People are nto criminals just because they may not agree with you.

"Leftism is a major religion."
So apparently is being a cretinous Moron, though the way it spreads it perhaps better described as the pandemic of idiocy.

@Jetty Our government has screwed up the COVID 19 lock down, not as bad as the USA, but it still causes pent up anger, and a release for that came with attacking 'the man'. By that I mean those things that have power over us that we cannot reason with. There is also a great deal of hatred against US police forces, so they attack our coppers as a proxy for American ones.
An example of the loud minority is an old sociology lecturer of mine (I'm three years older than him) attacking Churchill. Fine, I took him down a peg or five with academic argument last year to the delight of my psychology lecturer (professional hatred of each other). But there is a move which has grown from the Black and Ethnic Affairs School, Birmingham University to wipe out all signs of our Imperialist past.
Learn from it, don't destroy it. Without our Imperial past, we probably would have slavery and no industrial revolution and speak Spanish or French.

I believe no one wishes to blanket over it, or forget it, but most of us these days want an end to the "Glorious" mythology of the illustrious British Empire, the fibs told about how the "colonies" welcome English civilisation with open and grateful arms and finally and most of all we want an end to the filthy disgusting LIES about how the empire was NOT actually financed by sugar and slaves and those who traded in both at an enormous cost to life, liberty, human dignity and a culture based on the falsehood of racial superiority.
In short it is time for truth to be told.
We may not be able to be held accountable for the grievous misdeeds of our ancestors, but we can and we will STOP Deifying and celebrating them as heroes and paragons of virtue, when they were monsters of arrogance, callousness and cruelty.

The left handed handshake does not come from Africa it is a Rosicrucian and Freemason signifier.

@LiterateHiker he was a genius. I was a member of the boyscouts and we were taught to help people irrespective of their skin colour. The wisdom the organization gave me shaped my personality. BP was a great man.

Err, perhaps you MAY wish to re-check your 'facts' about that one.
Baden-Powell was cleared and Acquited by Military Tribunal of the slaying of the Matabele Chief in fact.
It was found that another British Officer actually committed the murder and he executed by Fring-squad for it.
Adolph Hitler merely copied the Boy Scouts Movement and 'adapted' it to become the Hitler Youth Movement circa 1937-38 which he used to train young boys to become 'Warriors of the Third Reich' and even to rise to join the ranks of the S.S., the S.A. as well as the Gestapo.
My Father was a avid detester of warfare, racial hatred, militarism, etc, etc, he researched everything possible and available regarding the Boy bScouts, Baden-Powell, et al BEFORE he even cast a thought about my wanting to join them.
He finally gave his okay and permission and I eventually rose to become a Scout Leader with well over 250 Merit Badges to my name.

@AravindAjith @Triphid Baden Powell was a racist, a paedophile, a pronographer who when his estate was wound up after his death over a thousand pictures and paintings drawn by Baden-Powell were discovered... ALL of them of life drawing of naked or semi naked boy scouts he had forced to pose for him.
He was a despicable man.

@LenHazell53 My opinion is thatv we should condemn the man and his personal leanings BUT not the ideas, etc, he instilled in the Scouting Movement.
Yes, ALL lives matter but the Past is the Past and it IS a country that can longer be visited nor dwelt in, today is NOW and Tomorrow is yet to come, Change things TODAY for a better Tomorrow and leave standing the statues, etc, of the Wrong-doers as a reminder of past wrongs for those who come along in the future BUT do revere nor celebrate them.
This wanton and rampant destruction, no matter how or for what reason/s it is occurring is, imo, little more than organised Vandalism in extremis and does no good for anyone at all.
Political Correctness is a fine thing but like most other things it too, imo, has been taken way, way too far.

@Triphid Fine, you're entitled to your opinion that public glorification of a racist pedo is fine and dandy, tell you what go join the mormons they worship one, you'll be right at home

@LenHazell53 Is self-righteous arrogance something you were born with or is it just something you've striven to develop over the years?
You know ABSOLUTELY Sweet Fuck All about me, how I think, who I am, my personal and family background, our famial ethinic heritages,etc, etc, and YET you can IMMEDIATELY become derogatory, dismissive, insulting and disparaging imo.
So who was it that died so suddenly and unexpectedly so that YOU could be elected God?

@Triphid (good name by the way, I'm a fan of John Wyndham) Wow really touched a nerve didn't I.
You are right, I can only judge you on what you post here, and that is what I did.
And you come across as someone who condones public glorification of a racist pedo as fine and dandy, by all means tell me if I am wrong, prove me wrong, it is called a discussion.

By the way gods are not elected, they are invented and worshiped by morons, I have no desire to be worshiped by anyone least of all a self aggrandizing person who projects their own insecurities on to people who point them out.

@LenHazell53 No, my skin is far, far thicker than yours imo.
I'd say I've had well over a dozen years longer than you in this life to LEARN about life and the world, etc, so, IF you'd like a few pointers, then just ask nicely, I'd be only too happy to oblige.

@Triphid from someone who still holds such views on life and morality at such a venerable age I think I will politely decline your kind offer.
You may have existed twelve years longer than I, but I think my shorter tenure may have been better and more productively spent so far as education and experience are concerned.

@LenHazell53 Whoop de-doo.
How about I see your "Retail Trade Professional qualifications, etc, etc, and raise you my 2 Phd's, 1 Thd, 6 (SIX) Certificates in Registered Nursing, 5+ Bachelors Degrees, qualified Tutor in Literacy and Numeracy for Primary School Students, a Recognised and Respected Child and Youth in Crisis Counselor plus a Mid-Wife with well over 160 deliveries under his belt?
Oh, and STILL studying at Universities as well to boot.

@Triphid Wow all that and you still can't see what is wrong with publically celebrating a militaristic, racist pervert. How very sad for you.

@LenHazell53 Yes I can and am also very sad when I see someone who is still trying their hardest to 'whip a dead horse' back to life as well.
Imho, it IS such a pity and crying shame that so many of you Poms are still so far up yourselves these days that, imo, you have NOT seen the outside for decades or even centuries.

@Triphid Ah there speaks a fine example of an educated Australian man who cannot even spell POHM (Prisoner Of Her/His majesty).

@LiterateHiker Despite what has been claimed elsewhere on this thread you are factually correct on all counts
Baden Powell met with Hitler to discuss the foundation of the Hitler youth and gave it his blessing, that is a fact backed up in Baden-Powell's own journals, as is the fact he described Mein Kampf in the same journal as "A wonderful book"
Baden Powell did order the execution of the Matabele chief Uwini in 1896 by firing squad and was court martialed for it. He was acquitted on the grounds that since Uwini had already been shot by one of LBP's own men and was dieing, British Justice would not be seen to be done at HQ where despite promises to the contrary the Chief was going to be tried found guilty and executed anyway.
Baden Powell therefore convened a Drum Head Court Martial found the chief guilty and had him shot...again, only this time officially.
Baden-Powell later claimed he was "released without a stain on my character" (Baden-Powell, Robert. "Lessons from the 'Varsity of Life". p. 90.) and was actually commended for quick thinking in keeping everything official.

I agree that disgusting avuncular statue of the old git needs to go.

@LenHazell53 We do spell it diferently out here since we ARE now recognised as being Australians and not " Colonials" any more.
Whilst we are at this subject, When are you English going to start making repatations to ALL Australians for the Nuclear Testings you did at Maralinga, AUSTRALIAN soil btw, NOT English soil?

@LenHazell53 So did Neville Chamberlain.

I was in cub scouts and briefly boy scouts which had some connection with the Methodist church ( we had meetings there ) but never heard a prayer . The scouts here where I live have connections to the Mormon church and nonmormons scout leaders have to follow Mormon practices such as no caffene drinks .

In ALL my years both a Cub and then a Scout NEVER once was prayer apart of anything to do with Scouts or Scouting.
As for a Mormonist influence, there was NONE what-so-ever here in Australian Scouting either.
But, American Scouting IS a horse of a very different clour imo.

@Triphid
The Australian Scout Promise
To be true to my spiritual beliefs, To contribute to my community and our world, To help other people, And to live by the Scout Law.

Sounds a lot like a religious oath to me cobber

@LenHazell53 Sorry BUT you ARE reading something in toit that is NOT there in actual fact.
The 'spiritual element' that you are so vainly and falsely attempting to insert where it does not, never was meant the TRUE spirit of Scouting, Unity among and for ALL, Socialising, Inter-mingling of ALL Ethnicities whilst supporting the Community at large and each other.
Aussie Scouting has now gone even beyong Genders in that there ARE no actual Boys/Youths only Groups, they are now including, wholeheartedly both Genders and those of the LGBTI community as well.
Sorry, but as an old Aussie saying goes, "You are 110% up Shit creek in a barbed wire canoe WITHOUT a paddle here."

@Triphid And old Baden Powell would have hated it.
In fact when girls were admitted to the UK Scouts, it was one of the major arguments against allowing the change.
LBP is on record as saying girls must never be allowed in the scouts as it would lead boys astray from many pursuits, and instead lead that to the terrible sin of "Self Abuse".
It was why he had his "wife" with whom he had a famously and celebrated Celibate marriage set up the girl guide movement, to keep the "fools of women" away from his lads thus ensuring they were too busy whittling at woodcraft, or clasped in prayer to have there hands stray in a southerly direction .

@Jolanta The Scouts originated in the UK and were very much tied to the C of E who financed them.
Church patrol on a Sunday was mandatory, and it was this more than anything that lead to the Catholic Church forming the "Boys Brigade" so that good little catholics did not have to go to Anglican churches.
Prayer was mandatory in every meeting up until the 1980's and the Boy Scout oath contained a swearing of Allegiance to "God and the Queen".
It was and to a lesser extent still is a religious organisation.

@Triphid Hey guess what, I just looked up the rules of the Australian scouts and found this
The official version of the Scout Promise of Australia (almost identical to the British one) that is and always has been the prefered version as opposed to the secular one I quoted earlier

On my Honour
I promise that I will do my best
To do my duty to God, and
To the Queen of Australia,
To help other people,
And to live by the Scout Law.

and yet you said "In ALL my years both a Cub and then a Scout NEVER once was prayer apart of anything to do with Scouts or Scouting."
An oath to do your duty to God is not religious or a prayer?
Or did you just never notice this In ALL your years both a Cub and then a Scout?

@LenHazell53 Yes, maybe the one my children went to they did not bother.

@LenHazell53 Shit, we dropped that 'oath,' including the God and queen bullshit, decades ago.
About the same time, if memory serves, when we penned our version of 'Rule Brittania,' which starts off like this,
"Rule Brittania,
Marmalade and Jam,
Five Chinese crackers up her arse-hole,
Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bam,"

So did Jimmy Saville doesn't alter the fact that he was a monster and that his good works were an excuse to get close to his victims, for both of them.

@LenHazell53 I hadn't heard he was a molester. I just read he was eccentric.

@brentan Well as we say in the UK " Only the rich and the upper class are eccentric, the poor and working class are dangerous lunatics and psychopaths."

So yes having twelve year old boys pose named for you might be considered eccentric by some, other might call it the actions of a pervert.