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Do you think that exposing children to fantasy movies and books conditions their mind into accepting that magic, spirits, and gods can exist in our world?

I noticed 10 years ago that there was a backlash against Halloween and magic by fundamentalists because they thought that it was competing with Christianity (the Occult). I don't see such resistance these days. I'm wondering if they realize that getting kids interested in Harry Potter, godlike creatures, and magic help condition their minds to believe that these things can really happen in our world, and thus gods, spirits, and heaven/hell are believable, too. Harry Potter is a stepping stone to God.

That's the deal right -- indoctrinating the kids minds as young as possible so that the beliefs can better withstand the onslought of Reason when they get older? Get that crazy idea in their minds so that it sticks.

GlyndonD 7 Apr 6
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There was a similar backlash about Harry Potter. Not only teaching kids about the occult, but romanticising it in the process.

Kids are actually pretty good at telling fiction from fact. They make up their own stories, and they know that they're not the truth. If they really couldn't tell fact from fiction, they'd be in pieces every time Tom maims Jerry, or the other way around. Instead, they lap up cartoon violence because... well... it's funny. And nobody's actually coming to harm.

Kids don't believe for a minute that Cinderella, Jack and the Beanstalk, or any of those are actual real people. They easily understand the concept of fairy tales. They believe in Jesus and Santa Claus only because adults present them as being real, rather than just stories.

Similarly, violent comic books, films and video games don't turn them into sociopaths. Though if they have sociopathic tendencies, then they might be drawn to particularly violent content.

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Most fundamentalist parents are very opposed to stories like Harry Potter.

I'm going to take a while to get back to that point. My son had a difficult time with reading at first, which frustrated him, because he knew he was missing out on some really great stuff. He was still smart for his age, he loved to take things apart and put them back together from about the age of four or so. The reading thing just wasn't clicking for him.
This was about 20+ years ago, and I don't know about now, but they were not teaching phonics then. Just endlss lists of memorized words.
I found something very similar to the Hooked on Phonics progam for him, but not nearly that costly. Within a couple weeks he went from Sonic the Hedgehog comic books to yep....those 800 page Harry Potter books.

Bless JK Rowling and all of those fanciful characters and rollicking romps. She made not just my son, but an entire generation of children eager to read some intimidatingly thick books.

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Imagination is among our greatest human gifts; it'd be ridiculous to try and stifle or starve it.

I'm writing a fantasy novel right now. Many of our best fantasists have been atheists, rationalists. (L.Sprague de Camp; Poul Anderson; Fritz Leiber, etc.)

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I don't think reading fantasy necessarily leads to a belief that gods are real, as long as adults point out the difference,
. Kids learn to accept that Santa and the Easter bunny are make believe, while at the same time most of their parents will insist that god and the devil are real,
. Children talke these cues from their mentors , protectors and trust that we aren't lying to them,
No wonder it's so hard to let go of what is basically an imaginary friend that we carry into adulthood,
I believe that fantasy and science fiction are very beneficial to growing brains as long as adults are responsible and keep the lines between reality and fantasy well defined

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The crazy idea starts first. Believers in gods and religion start the children out early. They need this to "stay in the faith." Then Harry Potter, Halloween, spirits, the devil, and all the rest creep in there. Why do they believe it? The bible is full of it.

Yes, the Believers want to keep that idea in kids' minds that magical stuff might just be possible. It's like a cancer that never goes away, but just keeps popping up somewhere else but in a different form.

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Isn't it more a question of how the parents deal with it? Children accept fantasy for what it is and seem to know that it isn't real. If their parents choose to make comparisons with religion then that is their concern but if they have read fantasy, I think the children are more likely to disbelieve, then.

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I have to disagree.First you are exposing them to a multiverse of beliefs, from Potteresque witches to The Force to Vulcans to Wizards and hobbits. A t some point every kid realizes 1/ they can't all be true and 2/ they make as much sense as any "organized" religion's fantasies. And every fantasy world has good and bad people,but a recognition that being "good"is better. Finally, and this may be the most subversive part of it all - I can't think of a story-line where the protagonists are also "the powers that be" and the rules makers. Hogwarts comes close, but the real authorities are outside the school. Even C.S. Lewis' work, which is Xianity with a fur coat has the bad folk being the royals. so instead of teaching kids toaccept religion, they are teaching kids that rule makers are not trustworthy, there's goodness in you and taking care of each other is more important than being obedient to authorities.

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The agenda of the media is always to assume there is a god and when people die they go to heaven.......except if you're a really bad person....then you go to hell.

And it's done in a matter-of-fact way.

Which media? CNS yes, but Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? Okay, The Simpsons has Heaven but who wouldn't want to go to that Heaven?

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There is enough good science out there to suggest that we should all be much more selective about what we expose our brains to. The mind is a more or less a neutral circuit that accepts and processes information in all forms. Lots of recent research from behavioral, economic and neuro scientists have made compelling cases that we are easily influenced throughout life. Not just the kids. Yes, it’s not just harmless entertainment, advertising, news, pictures, stories. It all matters.

I have never met a kid who actually believes Humpty Dumpty was real, given the opportunity. Or the ester Bunny. In spite of years of childhood "indoctrination". Kids can actually figure things out.How many Road Runner cartoons did you watch before you figured out coyotes can't actually order bombs from ACME?

@RonWilliam53 I don’t mean to suggest that all external information is processed as fact. More to the point for me is much of the external information has very real influence on how we see the world and the actions we take as a result. This is most often discussed in relation to the effect of advertising on purchasing decisions, self-worth and self-image. But there is also a growing body of evidence that this same influence extends up beyond image and purchasing decisions. Particularly of note is the work coming out the field of Behavioral Economics. They turn the notion that individuals were rational decision makers on its head.

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I agree ET the extraterrestrial is selling sentimental magic to kids and most of this kind of crap is anti-science

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Kids outgrow magical thinking if you let them.

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Being an authoritarian parent rather than an authoratative one prepares a childs mind for religion. Every time you tell them to "Do as I say!" and refuse to give a reason, that prepares a child's mind for religion. Fantasy and mythology don't, as others have said the fantastical, if anything, teaches them not to believe everything they read or hear. Now if we could only teach people that about the internet.

Kimba Level 7 Apr 20, 2018

Agreed -- one must not dangle forbidden fruit in front of their eyes.

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Understanding fiction vs fact is key. Most fantasy has elements characters animals etc that are obviously fictional.

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No .

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That's kind of a stretch, but the future Alchemists and engineers find inspiration in the HP series. A truth potion in a fantasy story.....or a serum when the gov't uses it.....?

Mbow Level 2 Apr 18, 2018
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I think it is the other way around, you train kids to believe in God, Angels and life after death, they are going to far more open to believing in fantasy as reality, especially when witches, demons, ghost, unicorns and leviathan are all in the freaking bible anyway.

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No need to avoid delightful entertaining fantasy fiction. But parents should teach the kids how to think rationally and understand these things are make believe.

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Wow, I had to read this twice to make sure I understood. I didn't go look at your profile, but I do have to wonder if you have ever had anything resembling a childhood?

I see no reason to deny children access to facts or fantasy, fiction or non-fiction. It is important to teach children to think and discern for themselves, and the only way to do that is to have balance in their lives.

I'm not into denying. But encouraging is another thing. Balance -- so you're advocating taking your kids to Sunday School? Exposing them to all religions? What other ideas do you feel you should expose children to so that they are more balanced? Racism? Boys are better than girls? Violence is a rite of passage?

Well, as a matter of fact between their father and i, we have exposed them to pretty much all religions. We have taught them to question everything, and we answer to the best of our ability. Racism? Can't live in the US and not be exposed to racism. Their dad took them to see the movie "Selma" when it came to our area. They have heard Dr. King's speech.

Sexism? Can't live in the US, and be female and not experience sexism first hand, I have raised strong young women.

Violence as a rite of passage? Again, we live in the US, there's a mass shooting virtually every day here. We talk to our children, more to the point we listen to our children, and given them straight, honest answers.

We have taught them to think for themselves, to question everything, and make their own opinions. I don't think you can get much more balanced than that.

Oh and yes they have seen fantasy movies, have read and continue to read whatever appeals to them. Heck I even called a teacher out because he didn't want my youngest to read "diary of Anne Frank" for a book report.

They don't seem to be any worse for their early years.

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I think younger parents are more laid back plus there is the rise in nonbelievers as well who see these holidays as just fun events for kids and don't attach all the supernatural crap past generations did.

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We got infected with Walt Disney who we now know never had a female as the mother. She was always wicked We had Alfred Hitchcock on TV and so on What I am saying the television or media entity will always be in our lives from now on. do not worry , look at the kids after the parkland shooting, They are wonderfully bright and together

EMC2 Level 8 Apr 10, 2018
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This is a ridiculous idea. Introducing your kids to Narnia, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, will certainly be better for them then if you did not.

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I would have to agree with you. Children in the sense of Harry Potter would not be conditioned because Harry Potter a Witchcraft have nothing to do with God. Witchcraft is about spells and the occult not identifying with a deiety lime Wicca or other branches of Paganism does. Mind you Paganism doesn't idol worship they worship nature.

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You've posted about how bad Harry Potter is in 2 separate posts.

They not the best but sooo much better than twilight !!

@SimonMorgan1 I liked both. I own both sets of the books.

It's not about Harry Potter!

@GlyndonD Then why mention it twice in 1 day? Harry Potter only has religious meanings to the religious people.

@Sarahroo29 Harry Potter is the best and most current example of my topic. Nothing more.

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