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Someone just posted about dealing with another's death. How about your own? My father just died and my body seems to be going downhill fast. Truly facing my own mortality for the first time. What does that mean to you?

kmdskit3 8 Dec 1
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My sister and brother-in-law died within two months of each other earlier this year. I had skin cancer removed last January. However, I am still working at 65 and intend to do so until I cannot keep up with the kids any longer. I am also going to be a great-grandfather soon and want to be able to see this kid grow up in a better society than we have now.

I am not afraid of death but of the pain associated with dying. I am reminded of the eulogy given by Robert Ingersoll at a child's grave.
"No man standing where the horizon of a life has touched a grave has any right to prophesy a future filled with pain and tears. It may be that death gives all there is of worth to life. If those who press and strain against our hearts could never die, perhaps that love would wither from the earth. Maybe a common faith treads from out the paths between our hearts the weeds of selfishness, and I should rather live and love where death is king than have eternal life where love is not. Another life is naught, unless we know and love again the ones who love us here."
(https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/i/ingersoll/robert_green/lectures/chapter9.html)

I like that.

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I'm sorry for you loss. I lost a dear friend a few years back and felt like my heart was broken. I was in pain for months, but as time went by I became stronger and learned to appreciate life more than before. As for my mortality, I'm not concerned. I 52 and know I could go anytime, but that's out of my control. I live my life to the fullest everyday. Hang in there.

"Death smiles at us all; all we can do is smile back."
Marcus Aurelius

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I used to be terrified of the thought of ceasing to be. I've gradually gotten more comfortable with the idea, thinking of it as a natural part of who we are. Still, I hope to have quite a few more years in me and generally avoid thinking about death.

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I am sorry for your loss. Death sucks...but part of life. I doubt any of us will miss life on this plane.

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Caring for others. I want to die after my wife dies. I want to be able to take care of her untill that time she passes. Then death for me anytime after that. Hang in there my friend. It's all good.

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I have often said, "I don't fear death... it's dying that scares me."

I've a couple of moment, health-wise, where it was a real possibility that I could be staring down my expiration date. I cried a lot until the biopsy showed negative (doctors didn't think it was going to come back negative). Then I cried more.

There's a part of me that just wants to get this thing over... pull of the band-aid... but there's part of me that wants to stick around for as long as I can. The irony is, it's going to happen, and there's really nothing I can do to stop it. I think that troubles me more... that I have no choice, and definitely no control.

I don't really know how to process all of this. I live in a universe that goes to great lengths to create and sustain life, but even greater lengths to destroy it. It's a paradox I haven't figured out how to live with.

Oh my brother! Im what some people would call a recovering addict and alcoholic. I worked both programs. I learned a lot too. The biggest thing I learned is helping others. That releaved my pains. Please look into a program you think might be able to help you. Learn and live and make friends. You know you may have an answer for someone else and helping them. You will feel awesome with this experience. Peace be with you my brother.

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Dealing with your own death? That seems like it’ll take care of itself.

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My condolences for your loss and I'm sorry to hear about your health. My being dead wouldn't bother me but dying would, the loneliness in the last great journey we must take alone and any regrets when we review our life. What I would try to focus on is gratitude and forgiveness. Be grateful for positives in your life even the little things, and be quick to forgive, especially yourself, for the negatives.

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When its my turn to go, I'm going. It doesn't matter what I do to prevent my death, I'm still going. Because I believe that in my heart death does not scare me.

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As an 80 year old, I would suggest that you allow yourself to live every minute of every day to the fullest extent -- not in the sense of cramming things in, but in the sense of a connoisseur of fine brandy would snift the aroma and savor the bouquet. Appreciate the little things for what they are while you still can. Form and carry out short term goals which bring pleasure and quality to your life. For me, I grow, harvest, eat, and share the fruits of a vegetable garden 3 times a year. I

I also plan and carry out a fishing outing, and hold a fish fry with friends and family. I spend time conversing with colleagues on Agnostic.com; and so on. I reflect on people and events from the past which or whom I value. Enjoy the things you have while you can.

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Death? It's either going to be absolutely nothing or it's going to be one hell of an adventure. As for the process? I can only hope it's quick. I really don't want to waste away in some hospice care.

Gee I hear you. But it seems like hospice Is the thing. They drug you out and you slowly sleep forever. But i understand your point of view too.

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Death is natural state we all end up in,it's no worse than what existed before we were born.I believe we are all small parts of something very much bigger,we are not separate from the rest of the i universe we are very much part of it. We are all connected to something higher and each other since I view every individual as also the same as me. One person dying is neither here nor there in the bigger picture,it is all fine as it is part of the plan.
That said grieving friends and family is a tough ask. We do get caught up in our own little worlds,but maybe its best just to keep an eye on the bigger picture and not too wrapped up in our own mortal lives. As the Bhuddists say ths life is not the be all and end all,yes its to be enjoyed and we must love one another, but it's not all there is.

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I'm sorry about your father, I hope you're getting through losing him as best you can.

I'm not afraid of being dead, I won't even know I'm dead.
How I'll feel about dying is something I can't say for sure.
There are many ways to die that I wouldn't want to experience, but that choice isn't mine I can only hope it's quick and/or painless.

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Although I have an anticipatory, empathetic connection to the me of tomorrow, I don't actually believe in the persistence of self. I can imagine the future person who will occupy my space, but if that guy gets hit by a bus it doesn't affect me in the here and now. I think persistent identity is illusory, and moment to moment we're new people with extremely similar characteristics to the person who previously occupied our space and to the person who will soon occupy our space, but the change over time is significant. So, when death comes, it's less a destruction of me than it's a failure to create the next replacement me. I don't know whether that helps, but I find comfort in the idea that I'm transitory and all I really have is the "now" me (although I have an obligation to "future" me because my actions affect him directly).

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My mom taught me this...

Yesterday is done, be the best you can be today for tomorrow is promised to no one.

Up until recently, I considered myself a non-practicing Christian, now an agnostic-atheist. I don't know what will happen when I die but I suspect that when it happens I will no longer care.

I would rather not worry about something I have no control over and try to be the best I can be today. 🙂

Betty Level 8 Dec 1, 2017

I have thought this way for years too. But as it approaches it is no longer a thought experiment. As any 12-stepper will tell you letting go of what you can't control can be an unending struggle.

You can't control what happens only your reaction to it. When the death of a loved one is fresh in one's mind it can generate fear of one's own demise. I am truly sorry for your loss.
Identifying the root of your fear may go a long way in helping you to deal with it. Is it fear of pain (research options)? Is it fear of the great unknown (talk it out with someone you trust)? Is it fear of not doing the things you dreamed of (prioritize what is doable and most important)? Is it fear of leaving your loved ones without support (talk to them and come up with a plan)?

There is much you have control over that, in the end, can give you a measure of comfort. Don't let fear rule you. You can do this. 🙂

Yeah, it's not just my father and my body but the failure of a 27+ year marriage too. I'm starting to put my life back together and I am working on it in my 12-step group. Just haven't found good individuals to connect with in person yet.

@kmdskit

If you can, try different groups. Each group has its own personality and character traits. When you find one you feel comfortable with then stick with it. Do you have a sponsor? He or she can answer many of your questions or guide you to the ones that can.

Although many groups are Christians there are some that encourage to think of a "higher power" in your own way (the universe, nature, science, and humanity are some). Try to find one that fits your needs. Work the steps, it's a long process but well worth it. 👍

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PS I’m so out of it today...I’m sorry about your dad. 😟 I hope you have wonderful memories of him.

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a long sleep, and thoroughly deserved! 🙂

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When Christopher Hitchens was asked this in the midst of Cancer treatments he said I don’t fear death, just the process of dying. When it’s slow and drawn out it is difficult. I suppose that’s when we find out what we, and those who say they care for us, are made of. Death itself I do not fear. But I would not like to go out slowly and painfully. We have no control over that, however, and I’m learning to let go of worrying about what I have no control over. Live life. Love people. Leave no regrets. That’s sort of my view of it.

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It means the end of me. I want to be buried with a living tree over me. That way I'm slowly scattered.

I've thought of the exact same thing! Our body would nourish the growth of a tree, those still alive would have a place to go to remind them of you and we would be helping, in our own small way, to make the planet healthier. Combining a cemetery with a forest/grove/orchard. Still not sure about the feasibility tho.

@kmdskit3 I' haven't done any feasibility tests and I doubt it's legal here in TN. Doesn't mean it's not a great idea!

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