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It just blows my mind that after thousands of years of evolution and intellectual advancement, humanity still cannot shed the inane fantasy of religion.

August1 6 Feb 12
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Why would you think that thousands of years is enough to evolve the mind of a hominid? Intellectual advancement is relative. Compared to the 13th century , yes maybe. We are not advanced compared to......? Religion serves a purpose. It provide community, doctrine, guide lines, ritual, satisfaction, absolution, continuity, control. Atheists are often described as grouchy, miserable, angry. Well yeah. We do not have the crutch of religion to explain the world. We only have reality & truth at the moment.

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Hmmm, ancestors have been here millions of years, not thousands. Ignorance is still here. Don't believe me? Look no further than trump and his followers.

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Yup

bobwjr Level 10 Feb 13, 2022
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It is still here because it is beneficial to the ruling elites that it remains.

It is the ultimate eternal carrot and one helluva stick keeping the masses in their assigned lanes.

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You have to remember that humans evolved as herd animals that instinctually gathered in groups for safety. Most people forget that humans are animals and subject to animal instincts, which in modern humans mostly express as emotions.

Our animal instincts are still in play, and many humans feel a sense of comfort and safety in belonging to a group. That instinct to belong to a group was hard wired into us. Religion gives people a sense of belonging and community, which we as animals instinctually crave, because in our evolutionary past it meant safety and a sense of well being to belong to a group.

If you consider that just 5,000 years ago, most humans still lived a in small villages, and that modern humans as a species are only about 200,000 years old. We have not evolved to a point where we feel instinctually secure without gathering in groups for a sense of belonging and safety.

Reminds me of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Makes perfect sense.

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That's because religion plays on people's deepest emotions and desires.

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Evolution needs millions of years, or at least tens of thousands, sadly. While we have only been doing intellectually advancement for a few centuries at most, and really significant intellectual advancement in only a small part of the world for a few tens of decades. We may never get there anyway but it certainly has not had much time yet.

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Sadly our nature makes us readily accept everything our cultures tell us. We are hard wired to accept cultural input without question.

But human culture in which we place so much faith, itself is almost completely pliable, and can be bent and shaped at will by those who control it, to say almost anything they wish, and it often says just random things which we inherit and no one controls, whose meaning is lost. So we place all our faith in something which often has no substance, or even makes any attempt at objective truth, a nebulous cloud reshaped by the merest puffs of wind. Like sailors trying to navigate by clouds rather than by the stars and the compass needle.

Yet in that there is also a contradiction, and a hope, because that means that we can also readily create counter cultures, like science, philosophy and history. Which do attempt to justify themselves by working hard to find objective testable truth, even if they can not succeed completely. And then it is just a matter of promoting those counter cultures well enough, a question of mere quantity rather than type.

Well said!

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Yep

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Thousands? You mean like the 6,000 the Earth has been here? Or....?

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Beliefs don’t have to be factually true

in order to be adaptively true.

skado Level 9 Feb 12, 2022

Yep, if you toss a coin it can tell you the correct way to turn at a road junction, at least half the time. But fortunately we live in an age of maps and statnavs.

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then your mind is easily blown.

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Why would they!!!

They would not have anyone to cry to when they fuck up!!!!

Makes perfect sense!

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It is so easy to stop is the irony. Put children first which means ban the targeted indoctrination of children into a belief ideology. Politicians always crap on how they do things for children. Could kill in a generation. Imagine the empowerment that will be gained by girls/ women which will benefit all.

puff Level 8 Feb 12, 2022
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Intellectual advancement & evolution have little to do with feelings & religion is is based on faith or institution. People have different needs which can be fulfilled with the intangible. I feel it so it is so. I believe it so it is so. Or the government requires that one appears to believe of lose their toenails. Dangerous beliefs. Dangerous system. Religion seems to fulfill a need that my teddy bear gives me. It is soothing & intractable in a chaotic world. Something to hold onto as we go down the drain. A world where everything is preplanned, god's will or beyond our control. The deeper question for me is if energy can not be destroyed only morphed, where does our consciousness go when our brain is dead? Religion has the answers to the unanswerable. Science does not & is fallible..

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Old saying here with a newer connotation following it here.
"You CAN lead a horse to water, BUT you can NOT make it drink."
Newer connotation, " You can lead a Faithfool to reason BUT you can NOT make him/her think.
That should, imo, go some way towards clarifying the situation for you I hope.

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Evolution may be long, but it hasn't been long in human history since we began to outgrow the stranglehold of religion in cultures, merely a few centuries in the West and the Enlightenment, and many cultures have yet to begin that journey. I think of religion as a human mental herpes virus that won't die because it exploits a weakness in the human mind.

Sad but none-the-less true.

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Religion has been with humanity for 1000's of years and will still be with us for years to come. Religion is slowly shrinking in the US and western europe. Religion is insane how it treats people that don't believe as they do. Religion has failed to prove any gods exist. As religion shrinks, more people will wakeup to reality.

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Why do you suppose that is?

skado Level 9 Feb 12, 2022

Because we haven't yet outgrown the fantasies of our species childhood, like an immature young adult who hasn't grown up and left childish thinking behind, that's why.

@David1955
Why does our species have that fantasy?

@skado because it's still immature, like I said. It's like the human predilection for thinking that some races are superior to others -- racism. We're still outgrowing this falsehood. Same with religion.

@David1955
Why did we have it in the first place?

@skado Ever though of TRYING to worki things out for YOURSELF rather than letting do the work for you?

@Triphid Such a method of questioning is characteristic of the Socratic Method.

@ASTRALMAX Is that comment referring to mine or that of @skado ?
Btw, it won't concern me in any way since a part of my e-mail address is antitheistocrates,

@Triphid Skado's comment

@ASTRALMAX You are NOT expecting an intellectually intelligent response then I hope?

@Triphid A late friend once told me a story about a Hungarian who was a top prime number specialist. He lived all his life with his mother until she died. Then he moved into his sister's house and the first night in her house he banged on her bedroom door at 02:00am. She came running out of her bedroom thinking that the house was on fire. He looked at her and asked her, 'how do you open the fridge?'

@ASTRALMAX Yes quite believable in fact, quite believable.
We had a new bloke come to work on the railways and to train as a Loco Driver, his first task was to clean the cabs and engine rooms of each Loco as it arrived and was stabled.
We decided to test him out and told him " Do NOT get the Spark Plugs or Plug wires wet under any circumstances."
He spent next hour running around town and buying can of WD40.

@Triphid It has been my experience to interact with some brilliant academic scientists who were defeated by simple tasks. It is not unusual much less surprising when I hear or read of some brilliant person lacking common sense.

@ASTRALMAX Met way more than my fair share of those in my life, trust me on that one.

habit.

@hankster
Why would such a costly habit persist in all societies for so long?

@skado because we were an ignorant species thinking the earth was flat the sun went around the earth and the earth was the centre of the universe, and a big powerful God thingy did it all. Got it now?

@skado, @ASTRALMAX sounds like the old Hollywood trope of the absent minded professor who couldn't open a can of beans. Beware of Hollywood tropes and stereotypes.

However, it is true that there is difference between intellectual intelligence and emotional intelligence, where a person can be academically brilliant but naive about people and reading them. I've known a couple like that.

@skado that's kinda what a habit can be. it's working, why mess with it. lot of work to redeify the world these days.

@hankster
If its working, why would we want to, or need to, shed it?

@skado I did not claim we should, but there are many here who resent it and refuse to accept that it must run its course. you might say evolve on out. like a tail. this will take time, some are impatient, making sense don't always make it faster.

@David1955
Got it. Thanks.

@skado oh yeah, why, self righteousness of those that think they really did something by figuring out god ain't real like in the stories, and they found fault in some human creation (religion). all about truth and stuff. get rid of religion?. would kinda take it out of play on some political boards. that might be interesting.

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