lol

So for the person suffering from a chronically painful illness with no cure in sight, that change would be... death???

@The_Antichrist My situation also.

@Marine My condolences.

Self preservation, not presentation. Stupid autocorrect

Absolutely we have become a race of weaklings and capital pirates..Take The Pain!

Would you say that pain is the greatest evil known to man?

@The_Antichrist Especially when it is the result of torture

@Marine Aren't all forms of pain tortuous to a certain extent? Does being burned at the stake hurt any less if it's on accident?

@The_Antichrist my very firm belief, is that religion is the greatest evil known.

@HankSherman Wow. Jesus is worse than pain. How profound.

I guess that's why they say "life's a bitch."

And never at the sole discretion of the doctor treating the individual experiencing the pain.

Damn it! I knew it was all my fault. And all this time I've been blaming God.

@The_Antichrist. lol

All 3. Can you really have physical or psychological pain without emotional pain? I.E., doesn't all pain have an emotional component to it, namely, sadness?

@The_Antichrist I am not sad I am just outright upset.

@Marine Being upset is different than being sad? What's the difference?

@The_Antichrist Hm. I’ll have to concede that one. I don’t think of sadness as pain. I think of it as regret or just plain sorrow over life. Sometimes our best efforts don’t pay. Genuine pain is merely a warning that we’ve entered into dangerous territory.

@rainmanjr Sadness, regret, sorrow are all words associated with pain (emotional and chemical) not pleasure.
"dangerous territory"= danger to our existence or danger to our happiness/pleasure

@The_Antichrist Both, but usually more about happiness.

Exactly. The existence of pain relievers necessitates the existence of pain. After all, what good would Tylenol be if we didn't get headaches?

@The_Antichrist And ou know that tylenol will kill you, right? First the liver; then the kidneys.You're better off with opium.

@Spinliesel It all kills us, right?

@Spinliesel But, I've never tried Opium. How's it taste?

Yes, every time I stub my toe I'm reminded that I'm not Zeus.

@The_Antichrist Lol I hope you don't take the Lord's name in vain when toe stubbing! ???

@The_Antichrist Lord Zeus I mean...

@Hitchens I wonder if that's how the ancient Greeks used to swear, by taking the Lord Zeus's name in vain.

@The_Antichrist you bet Apollo's ass it was...

I love that guy.

What if someone is hurting you? Or something?

@The_Antichrist Then to move away from the pain, get away from that person/situation. Response to stimuli is one of the basic indicators for life.

@Rugglesby What if you are not able to move away from the source of pain? What if it's from within? What is the organism's proper response to this form of stimuli?

@The_Antichrist good point, relating to the 2nd part of your question. I almost never take any pain relief, severe ear or tooth ache and i will until I get to a doctor/dentist. I think if I had a chronic condition that was not going to be resolved but caused continued pain I would seek relief. Same with pets, if they get cancer and such, anything to alleviate the pain. Pity we don't have a pain shut off switch. "Yep, I know, I cut myself, I will get it seen to, you can turn off now." Regard to proper response to the pains you mention, I do not think there is one. It is as if pain is only 1/2 the answer to the problem, ie letting you know, but evolution doesn't seem to have solved the 2nd part yet. Unless it may be related to shock?

@Rugglesby I don't understand the part about shock that you mention.
Isn't the proper response to pain, regardless of the source, to seek relief, whether through chemicals or ultimately suicide if no relief is found?

@The_Antichrist Shock was in regard to trauma, when an animal is hit by a car, or a gazelle taken by a lion, the body goes into shock. A friend of mine cut though his thigh with a chain saw, had a cigarette while waiting for the ambulance. ahhh, we are looking at pain from different perspectives. I was looking purely from the biological view, ie the purpose pain serves. I am not so good re people and have an extremely high pain tolerance (genetic freak) myself. By proper response you would mean the human response in which case if the pain was intolerable, then pain relief medication, and if it was never going to end, then termination by some means.

@Rugglesby Yes

But what about the rare condition of when the brain is receiving the message that something is wrong, but nothing is actually wrong? Do you numb the pain in this instance?

@The_Antichrist Then it is even more important to numb it.

@Marine Now I know why you are a Level 8. Hosanna. Hosanna in the highest.

In what? It usually feels good when I stick mine in things.

@The_Antichrist not if it had teeth ...see Teeth the movie

@Simon1 Stills feels good when it has teeth.

@The_Antichrist come back to me after you see Teeth lol

@Simon1 Is it horror porn?

@The_Antichrist horror but not porn [google.co.uk]

@Simon1 I don't know if I want to watch it. Sounds like it could scar me for life.

@The_Antichrist lmao it will !!! Crossed my legs all the way through it

Which begs the question, would humor even exist without the existence of pain?

@The_Antichrist too true

What if you can't stop the pain?

@The_Antichrist Suck it up butter cup?

@Clauddvon Enduring the pain is better than numbing it then?

@The_Antichrist Numb it if that's what it takes. I don't have a problem with numbing.

So, what do you call chronic migraine headaches that never go away?

@The_Antichrist
Maybe a demon. You're possessed.

@bigpawbullets So, I'm due for an exorcism. Felt like I needed one.

@The_Antichrist
Seriously, if you're a chronic migraine sufferer, you've my sympathy. I don't think I've ever had a migraine, but I've had a few sinus headaches that I thought might kill me. I've been told that a migraine is 10 times as bad.

@bigpawbullets Hard to believe that some people still lead a productive life with such a condition. I don't think I could. Unrelenting pain is too much of a bummer for me.

All pain.

Thats a broad target.
So I'll shoot : existence