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How do you transition from being the center of the world, to not?

To those of you who grew up in religion...

How have you dealt with the transition from the idea of being an important part of the plan of god, to recognizing the reality of a cold, cruel, random existence?

I've been atheist for approx 9 years. I know that I can never go back to the beliefs that I had before. But I want to hear about how others manage/struggle with this mind fuck.

Please give me your insight.. I feel so alone.

smox 4 May 31

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I'm so sorry you struggle with that. My skepticism began as a small child, and disbelief was gradual and pretty much established by the time I hit my teens. During my childhood, though, I had a close relationship with my nearby grandparents who made a real project out of the salvation of my immortal soul, so I was exposed to frequent Sunday school and Vacation Bible School at their fundie Christian church. To be honest, I always found the idea of an all-powerful and judgmental magical being hovering over and focused on me to be quite disturbing and intimidating. I found it anything but comforting. Once my deconversion was complete, comprehending my own anonymity was a blessed relief.

Deb57 Level 8 June 4, 2018

We all are self centered regardless of religion. I think it's just human nature. We have to think about ourselves first because we are ourselves before anything else..... We just have to let it take control of ourselves in the right measure.


Due to Hubble Expansion, with or without god, I'm always at the center of my universe.

Other people or deities may be the center of their own universe but never of mine.

We all are! Multiverse theory is proved! LOL

You proved it! Since I'm in a different universe than you, that proves multiverse theory!


It's so much more pleasant to accept randomness than the idea that god wants you to be in pain or suffer in a deliberate attack on everyone around you so you can learn a lesson.


I've known some atheists who are very pessimistic and depressed and cynical. Make the choice to keep seeking things that bring you joy instead of worrying about the vast meaning of existence of all humankind. Your "mind fuck" is thinking there's either God's plan, or random indifferent chaos. There are many other possibilities to discover if you seek them. There are patterns in the universe, there is an order to things, sometimes it is cruel and indifferent, sometimes it is warm and joyous - but the bottom line is - people will see what they choose to see. Seek good things, and you will find them.


While I was raised to be religious, I never felt like I was a part of God's plan and I certainly never felt I was the center of the universe. I've honestly never considered that some people may have been taught to think that.

As scary as it was for me to make the leap away from religion, I knew it wasn't real. I think having the framework of science to give me answers helped tremendously. By the time I had expunged all religious beliefs I realized the jump wasn't even that big. The hardest part was just making the decision to do it.


By opening the eye.


I never had this struggle, I think the issue could be perspective. I guess one could see the universe as random and meaningless but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing, it's just a thing, to me anyway. If you want to feel meaningful maybe Perdue your own goals? Develop meaningful relationships with friends or family? Remember the world is random, I suggest to try to experience as much as it has to offer.

Yeah yeah yeah, I pursue my own goals. But if I'll just be ashes or fertilizer someday, why does it ever matter? Consider the worst human in all of history. And then consider me. Death is the same for both of us.

Someday earth will no longer exist. And neither of us will matter anymore... equally.


It would only be cold cruel and random for you if you were those things yourself - I am sorry that I didnt have your experience. I never had a god. But I know that I am enough to myself my experiences are real and its a fun world if you look at it with humour and intelligence - dwelling on losses I try to tune in to my own lovingkindness - giving out what is missing in my life not particularly with the intent to get anything back just to feel myself as a real person in control of my life and able to love freely whomever I want and to avoid anyone who want s to harm me .

I think what is going on politcally in my world is more damaging than religion In my country people are pawns to be played and we are being kept under.

When I say that life is cold, cruel, and random, this includes the luxury that you get enjoy to exist in a life experience that includes humor, intelligence, and loving-kindness. Think of the hundreds of billions of humans before you who had been less fortunate.. living a life without the luxuries of humor, education, and/or love.

You hit the jackpot. So did I to a certain extent. What I'm struggling with is the millennia of humanity who have suffered before me, and also how nothing I do will really TRULY ever matter in the great scheme of things.

@smox i think for all of those who went before they played the hand they got and made decisions; and that they were in a community of others - I suppose i am thinking as I write about the courage of the London east enders who stopped the Fascist Leader Oswald Moseley from marching in the East End in the Battle of Cable Street (protected by mounted policemen )- Which they won by emptying chamber pots contents from upstairs windows and providing real resistance -T there watchword was 'no passaran' There have always been resistance movements CND Marches and all manner of Protests that were not sanctioned but were a spontaneous uprising - they may have seemed to have had a harder life but that is always true historically for the majority of people -Its a lottery which Dictators we get in which age.


I find it is simply the innate ability to face reality.
Pragmatism is a great help in dispelling delusions.


The "reality of a cold, cruel, random existence" is only one way of looking at
life. It doesn't have to be viewed from that perspective. Additionally, that was already the way life is.
You're alive. Find your life's own meaning.
Now that you've embraced living your life with reason over delusion, go from there.

"You're alive. Find your life's own meaning".

We are both so lucky to be able to even entertain that notion... God damn, I am so grateful to be able to do this! But when I say that life is cold and cruel and random, what I mean is to think about all the humans before you that never had the luxury of exploring flowery thoughts like "find your life's own meaning"

Hundreds of millions of people before you, lived and died in pain for you to be here, This is what I struggle with.

@smox I don't struggle with that, ever. I bear zero responsibility for anything that happened before I started making my own decisions.


It just adds to the mystery and majesty of the universe.

Now, this I can agree with. Thank you.

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