I can see how social and economic evolution can still move in different directions. Not likely in everyone’s interests.

@Krish55 The history of anything in socialism across the world is worse than of capitalism. If we start knitpicking, everything has some bad to discuss, socialism has more.

@St-Sinner I get tired of hearing this. Some economies say they are socialist, but in reality, they are not even close. The Soviet Union was a dictatorship, and China is a dictatorship. The problem is that it takes people to get control of the economy and direct it so that the people (the citizens of the US, not all the rich, or the Cabinet of Trump) can control it. We, the US, is no longer a democracy; we are a capitalist Oligarchy. The people have lost their power to elect who they want to be President. Mot economic systems have inconsistencies and contradictions that need to be figured out and controlled so they can work for those who want to be served by them.

@dalefvictor I agree with you. I see Trump as leading an apathetic majority of Americans quickly away from (call it democracy) to (cleaning the swamp) giving the impression of honesty, straight shooting back to the basics government like days of old. Meanwhile your getting the royal road to an autocracy complete with its dictator. People will quickly see that they didn’t have it so bad. Just needed improving here and there. No throwing the baby out with the bath water and starting all over. That by the way is what I think should have been done with Obamacare.

@ToolGuy
They are different people, we are not them. We are different societies with different aspirations. You cannot have what your neighbor has in life either. Looking at others and wanting what they have needs to stop.

@ToolGuy The U.S. has been capitalistic for many decades. There was a similar outcry from the communists in the '60s. Has the U.S. not prospered, become the most powerful, the richest? No society can be perfect. We have more good than 180 countries in the world.

@St-Sinner It prospered by exploiting other countries and waging war when necessary to continue exploitation.

@Krish55 That is one view but not the only and it is negative.

@St-Sinner Well there are holocaust deniers also. So you are an imperialist denier…?

@Krish55 No. You don't look at the competitive picture. No one system is perfect in its entirety. Socialism has failed worldwide for a reason. We are not sound thinking, progressive societies like the North European Nordic countries. We will make a bigger mess.

Interesting, lots there for me to brood over

Yes I think that’s kind of what we have here in Canada. Seems more humane mind you our Consevatives would like to change that.