To former believers. What was your perception of atheists while you were part of a religion?

itsmedammit comments on Oct 13, 2019:

I was never really a believer. As a kid, I just knew the whole god thing didn't make sense. I didn't think about what nonbelief meant about anything. But I knew that religious people went to church and that belief was the "standard" position and was associated with being "good".

Mcflewster replies on Oct 13, 2019:

You are allowed to change your mind for almost any condition excpt for co-ercian of any sort. It is one of the things that makes it us truly Human

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

1of5 comments on Oct 9, 2019:

"In general" you can't solve problems. Problems need to be addresses individually.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

Cannot deny that, but some problems of the same time do tend to get all solved together. E.g Can't do that .. No time .. suddenly a whole bunch of time appears and so on.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

bleurowz comments on Oct 10, 2019:

Some problems are not solvable, I've had to accept that. Also, some problems are not problems; after some personal setbacks I'm learning to see the difference between what a real problem is and what isn't. Happiness to me isn't based on what happens, but how we deal with it; and maybe "content" is a...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

@bleurowz Some good philosophy here. Giving the problems a whorl every now and then might bring to the surface things that you have not consciously thought about since last time. You seem pretty much in control, but Don't let the B*****S get you down.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

@RiverRick Please answer the question"But what would you get if everyone in the world did only do what they had decided in a few generations time?" Going to separate Post after this .

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

@RiverRick Not twigged yet?

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

bleurowz comments on Oct 10, 2019:

Some problems are not solvable, I've had to accept that. Also, some problems are not problems; after some personal setbacks I'm learning to see the difference between what a real problem is and what isn't. Happiness to me isn't based on what happens, but how we deal with it; and maybe "content" is a...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

You really do not "have to" accept anything that isn't YOUR decision. Please do not lower your sights for reaching complete happiness. I understand you have to pause and catch your breath occasionally. It is a real desireable skill to recognise when there is really not a problem. "Some problems are not solvable" Recognising the real limits of your time on earth is important but if you record what progress you make and tell the right people others will take up the fight after you.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

YaAtEeh comments on Oct 10, 2019:

I'm not keen on spreading the message unless a discussion creates an opening. I usually see people's face cloud over as the discussion diverges from their own beliefs. It is all about someone else being ready to receive the message, so i look for that.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

Some good points there giving you good feelings. I agree preaching any message must be stopped and no sermons. No you do have to be determined to give a message gently and often.

I know some people are going to fume but.

Moravian comments on Oct 11, 2019:

I don't think I would feel at home in such a group. I used to attend a "meet up" sceptics group when living in Edinburgh and there were some great discussions but sceptics and religious together ?. not for me.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 11, 2019:

They really do a lot of research for me. Of course you have to be rock solid in your beliefs . Then you can sit back and let them carry on with their fantasies. Occasionally you make a killing point - but they are gagging for you to make a mistake. Progress in ridding ourselves of religion is bound to be slow.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 10, 2019:

@RiverRick GOOD. But what would you get if everyone in the world did it in a few generations time?

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 10, 2019:

@RiverRick Take aim at this one which is under test but almost complete. Try Never getting yourself into a situation where you have to be told what to do. It may not be original.

Do people just know know about this site?

Ms_McSteven comments on Oct 9, 2019:

I hope no one I know is aware of this site. It's where I vent about the irritating people I have to deal with in the world. This is my hiding place, while they're all looking for me on Facebook. I thought a place where non-believers could gather was a great idea, but I've found that there's ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 10, 2019:

@Ms_McSteven,@GreenAtheist: "relocation and eye candy". Not enough info to reply to this. I want to.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

Fernapple comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Not at all. It is far too vague and banal to be of any use in complex real world situations, and why prioritize humans anyway.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 10, 2019:

@Fernapple Humanism like all beliefs is constantly changing. I personally never accept beliefs as they are. Where do you go to find where change is necessary? -apart from this site of course which constantly highlights the need for change.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 10, 2019:

@RiverRick Please shoot my ideas down from the sky.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

Fernapple comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Not at all. It is far too vague and banal to be of any use in complex real world situations, and why prioritize humans anyway.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@Fernapple You sound very Humanistic too me but then I am biased. We have been so held back by religion and the religionists do not even realise this.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@RiverRick I in my wilder moments can believe that heaven can exist on this earth too. No shit [Never thought I would say that]

Do people just know know about this site?

Ms_McSteven comments on Oct 9, 2019:

I hope no one I know is aware of this site. It's where I vent about the irritating people I have to deal with in the world. This is my hiding place, while they're all looking for me on Facebook. I thought a place where non-believers could gather was a great idea, but I've found that there's ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@Ms_McSteven Can I question the question marks? It is not a war but we need to have 'spies' in churches too. Please see my post in 'Spiruality and Religion' section "I know some people are going to fume but...."

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@RiverRick Miltary tasks would not work without that.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

Fernapple comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Not at all. It is far too vague and banal to be of any use in complex real world situations, and why prioritize humans anyway.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@Fernapple Just what is the difference? Admins NOT listening.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Oct 9, 2019:

why does human happiness matter at all? i mean, its kinda a useful metric, as a symptom of other things. like, if we're doing it right we should be happy, since thats how our brains are wired to work. but happiness as a goal, like doing lots of drugs is equally valid to working to create a ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

"why does human happiness matter at all?". Strangely enough we have this optional human feeling called EMPATHY which many people demonstrate. Empathy can extinguish evil. Maximum empathy then what follows is No evil Greed is a special situation where it is only one person's solution to the problem - the greedy one and it could deny happiness to thousands eg dictators. If you take into account everyone who is affected by a decision then you are much more likely to get a better summation happiness.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

RiverRick comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Since this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase expressed.... I'd say.... Not that useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

Does it explain why people are prepared to get killed in a war?

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

NoPlanetB comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Never heard that before but it's bullshit. There is no such thing as "sum total of human happiness".

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

Can i suggest that you look through famous Philosophers best findings to discover it's origins. I completely understand if you want to skip that exercise.

Do people just know know about this site?

AnneWimsey comments on Oct 8, 2019:

I found this site thru Facebook. "Outed"? This ain't a cult, ya know........

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@gNappyHead Sorry I am glad that we do not have a Bible Belt in the UK ----- unless someone knows different.

In solving problems 'In general' how useful is the phrase.

Fernapple comments on Oct 9, 2019:

Not at all. It is far too vague and banal to be of any use in complex real world situations, and why prioritize humans anyway.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

I feel that prioritising Humans is what Humanism is about. Not in wealth terms though

Do people just know know about this site?

AnneWimsey comments on Oct 8, 2019:

I found this site thru Facebook. "Outed"? This ain't a cult, ya know........

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

@gNappyHead So its a little harder, so what? [ Actually I am thousands of miles from the Bible Belt]

Do people just know know about this site?

jerry99 comments on Oct 9, 2019:

The site sponsor had been advertising this site for a while but no idea if that's still ongoing.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

WE can be the best at spreading it. Just roll out ideas for doing so.

Do people just know know about this site?

Ms_McSteven comments on Oct 9, 2019:

I hope no one I know is aware of this site. It's where I vent about the irritating people I have to deal with in the world. This is my hiding place, while they're all looking for me on Facebook. I thought a place where non-believers could gather was a great idea, but I've found that there's ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 9, 2019:

"Know thy enemy" or perhaps "Know thine adversary"

Dawkin's letter to the Times

St-Sinner comments on Oct 7, 2019:

The grip on religion is very strong, it was 2,000 years in the making. It is not coming to come off that easy. We have to be aggressive. It is not just education. It is war. Let us not forget, religion made no inroads into the societies UNTIL they grabbed the power, the levers of power like the ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 8, 2019:

@Geoffrey51 He was Oxford Professor of the undersatnding of science and very much an academic, so perhaps wants to retain his integrity. I believe the delay in saying something new is because ther are too many secualrists about who follow him as a figurehead. If he concentrated on the application of innovative science to religious affairs ( e.9 The psychology of Mass decption) we could use his brain better but he has his own field of pure science in which he has done pretty well.

Dawkin's letter to the Times

Matias comments on Oct 7, 2019:

Religin won't end, never, therefore the whole question is either academic or polemic

Mcflewster replies on Oct 8, 2019:

Forgive me for saying that you are too negative. There has been no ORGANISED attempt to let religion fade out quickly as far as I know. Real progress is about ACTION on philosophy and all waverers, using SCIENCE.This is meant to imply that philosophers are waverers and like teachers they talk too much.

Dawkin's letter to the Times

St-Sinner comments on Oct 7, 2019:

The grip on religion is very strong, it was 2,000 years in the making. It is not coming to come off that easy. We have to be aggressive. It is not just education. It is war. Let us not forget, religion made no inroads into the societies UNTIL they grabbed the power, the levers of power like the ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 8, 2019:

@Geoffrey51 Religion destroys the "ask for evidence " backbone of science. It is a crime against Humanity. Christian or Harri Crisnan or what ever lie factory.

This is a statement of hope that gives me great inspiration.

brentan comments on Sep 14, 2019:

I'm not a philosopher and I don't know. I only know what to try out myself. I like the poet William Blake's imaginative take on Christianity and find it very useful.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

You: “ I like William Blake's imaginative take on Christianity and find it very useful.
me Me :“intriguing. more detail please” Me 7th oct :Any chance of the more detail?

Dawkin's letter to the Times

St-Sinner comments on Oct 7, 2019:

The grip on religion is very strong, it was 2,000 years in the making. It is not coming to come off that easy. We have to be aggressive. It is not just education. It is war. Let us not forget, religion made no inroads into the societies UNTIL they grabbed the power, the levers of power like the ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

I like your forsight.

Dawkin's letter to the Times

St-Sinner comments on Oct 7, 2019:

The grip on religion is very strong, it was 2,000 years in the making. It is not coming to come off that easy. We have to be aggressive. It is not just education. It is war. Let us not forget, religion made no inroads into the societies UNTIL they grabbed the power, the levers of power like the ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

Let us be agressive in a gentlemanly or womanly way. (?)

I’d say this is pretty on target when it comes to God and his character: [youtu.be]

Mcflewster comments on Oct 7, 2019:

Could someone kindly explain why we are still talking about this pair of rivals?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

@Truthseeker1968 That IS an explanation but Humans are capable of so much that is wrong for the race.

Why was DT sent from heaven?

Marionville comments on Oct 6, 2019:

At the moment it’s in the balance whether they are going to get away with it or not. Nothing seems to stick to DT...and I’ll believe in his undoing when he is either removed from office or defeated at the next election. In the case of BJ, we await to see what new trickery DC has dreamt up in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

@FrayedBear "Thanks for the rest." in reply to the lady was thanking her for taking the trouble to respond. I think she sleeps very minimally.

My letter to The Times, UK about False Witness (high profile politicians accused of paedophillia)...

LetzGetReal comments on Oct 5, 2019:

Is there a letter which you recently composed?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

Monday morn Update . My letter was not published (yet).I suspect that I was ousted by the letter below

This looks interesting to what I am trying to do.

Heraclitus comments on Sep 7, 2019:

Yep, I huge problem with post-modern society. We used to have differences of opinion, now we have differences of fact. Without a reality consensus, how do we even approach problem-solving?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 7, 2019:

@Heraclitus Watch news constantly on several concurrent stations. PLEASE do not think that politics can get better without a fantastic dose of research, planning, evaluation, prioritising etc etc all fundied by dedicated donations which we should all be making. For my version of science processes, please see my graphic in the Science Teachers group on this site. BTW religion could still do with a lot more science too. Science kills 99% of useless thoughts.

Why was DT sent from heaven?

Marionville comments on Oct 6, 2019:

At the moment it’s in the balance whether they are going to get away with it or not. Nothing seems to stick to DT...and I’ll believe in his undoing when he is either removed from office or defeated at the next election. In the case of BJ, we await to see what new trickery DC has dreamt up in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 6, 2019:

BJ has just said he will not resign even if he loses a vote of no confidence.

Why was DT sent from heaven?

Marionville comments on Oct 6, 2019:

At the moment it’s in the balance whether they are going to get away with it or not. Nothing seems to stick to DT...and I’ll believe in his undoing when he is either removed from office or defeated at the next election. In the case of BJ, we await to see what new trickery DC has dreamt up in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 6, 2019:

I certainly cannot force anyone to tweet. Thanks for the rest.

My letter to The Times, UK about False Witness (high profile politicians accused of paedophillia)...

LetzGetReal comments on Oct 5, 2019:

Is there a letter which you recently composed?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 6, 2019:

Above is the letter composed on Sat last and submitted. I have to wait until next Monday - tomorrow to see if it gets published.

How has learning science affected your life?

Mb_Man comments on Jul 1, 2019:

Really, science plays a fairly small part when it comes to shaping my life. Not the day to day life that I live, mind you. More, what drives me internally. For me, science was not/is not the perfect solution to life's big enigma, and can not (at least at current) bring an answer to that ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 5, 2019:

@Mb_Man And with respect the same to you.

How has learning science affected your life?

Mb_Man comments on Jul 1, 2019:

Really, science plays a fairly small part when it comes to shaping my life. Not the day to day life that I live, mind you. More, what drives me internally. For me, science was not/is not the perfect solution to life's big enigma, and can not (at least at current) bring an answer to that ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 5, 2019:

@Mb_Man Philosophers deal with opinions... end of the matter? I would prefer to deal and make conclusions(to be acted upon) that can be changed by YOU using science.

How has learning science affected your life?

Mb_Man comments on Jul 1, 2019:

Really, science plays a fairly small part when it comes to shaping my life. Not the day to day life that I live, mind you. More, what drives me internally. For me, science was not/is not the perfect solution to life's big enigma, and can not (at least at current) bring an answer to that ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 5, 2019:

"with science is that it in no way deals with moral or ethical implications" Science appears not to solve moral/ethical questions because massive numbers of people really do not realise what real science IS, and avoid investigating it. They enjoy just continued verbalisation and loose concepts that are called philosophy. Science could help to quicken the approach to any problem and it could help to prove the usefulness of a philosophers statement but they keep away from poling and only want to publish their next book, arguing with other philosophers on the way. Science is not and never will be a religion. The choice is yours. There is no such thing as scientism - only prejudice against science. Connection science & philosophy is historical and now defunct at least in my eyes.

What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

ShadowAmicus comments on Oct 4, 2019:

climb a cliff face ... whenever I look down from a height I always think of doing a spectacular swan dive ... but have seen the mess it makes

Mcflewster replies on Oct 4, 2019:

Good fore-sight

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Mofo1953 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not me, contrary to what believers do, I don't proselytize. I don't use labels either, so as a non-believer I will vigorously defend my POV only if challenged, otherwise I live and let live.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 4, 2019:

@Mofo1953 I am not qualified to analyse any of the reasons but there seems to be multiple studies, but you obviously understand the difficulties of interpretation

Rationalists learn better?? [agnostic.com]

Gawd comments on Oct 4, 2019:

Does he mean "rationalist" in the sense of a person who is rational or in terms of it in philosophy as in rationalist vs. empiricist?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 4, 2019:

@Gawd I am agnostic about that.

Rationalists learn better?? [agnostic.com]

yvilletom comments on Oct 4, 2019:

Rationalists learn better than whom?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 4, 2019:

Non Rationalists eg. religionists???

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

maturin1919 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

No thanks.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 4, 2019:

@maturin1919 Confession time: I do annoy some people and it is usually because they misinterpret my beliefs. That does not mean that I cannot be wrong however the statement of mine is interpreted. I just keep trying to get better.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Mofo1953 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not me, contrary to what believers do, I don't proselytize. I don't use labels either, so as a non-believer I will vigorously defend my POV only if challenged, otherwise I live and let live.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 4, 2019:

@Mofo1953 Studies have shown that religious people live longer because they are more sure of their beliefs. Brag to anyone.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

ToolGuy comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Irrelevant. Keep it out of my government and education and believe what you want. Not interested in proselytizing atheism or agnosticism.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@ToolGuy Yes they are not equivalent.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

ToolGuy comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Irrelevant. Keep it out of my government and education and believe what you want. Not interested in proselytizing atheism or agnosticism.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@ToolGuy It is my opinion that god does not exist as I cannot prove it.

What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

St-Sinner comments on Oct 3, 2019:

Weren't afraid of what? 1. Ghosts? 2. Violence? 3. Gods? 4. The Government? 5. People around me? 6. Dying? 7. Rough sex?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Anything really.

What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

Sticks48 comments on Oct 3, 2019:

Fly, fall in love, eat pigs feat!

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Pigs trotters as we in Uk call them are delicious.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

creative51 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I do not think you are agnostic or an atheist. I think you are a christian just looking for a new way to preach.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@creative51 That is exactly what I am doing thanks. I do not need you advice. Help would be good would it not?

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Mofo1953 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not me, contrary to what believers do, I don't proselytize. I don't use labels either, so as a non-believer I will vigorously defend my POV only if challenged, otherwise I live and let live.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@Mofo1953 We can all do some little thing if only to brag how less worried we have been.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

OldWiseAss comments on Oct 3, 2019:

I'm an evangelistic atheist. A troublemaker. I don't start the conversations, but when someone opens that door I walk right in. I don't throw turds into any punchbowls, but I point them out to those who are drinking. I want my friends and others to feel the same relief and sense of freedom that ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

I would prefer to think that you are an information giver and that any trouble is due to the person you encountered.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

maturin1919 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

No thanks.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@maturin1919 I do want to be the person to bring it up. Fool that I am.

What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

1of5 comments on Oct 3, 2019:

Waterski behind a ferry.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Possible but rational??? Who cares ? Just enjoy yourself.

What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

Geoffrey51 comments on Oct 3, 2019:

It depends upon what I am afraid of!

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

I think the question[from another forum] suggests that you should be fearless of anything. May be wrong.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

ToolGuy comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Irrelevant. Keep it out of my government and education and believe what you want. Not interested in proselytizing atheism or agnosticism.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@ToolGuy Surely we are trying to change opinion not religion. Very few facts involved??

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

creative51 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I do not think you are agnostic or an atheist. I think you are a christian just looking for a new way to preach.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@creative51 Still evading proving what you are saying is true. If you really do not want to test me THEN please see my LINKED IN Page for my credentials.

What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

LiterateHiker comments on Oct 3, 2019:

Walk confidently across slippery logs suspended high above lively creeks with sharp rocks and white rapids.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

We would all like to be loggers for the outdoor life.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

creative51 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I do not think you are agnostic or an atheist. I think you are a christian just looking for a new way to preach.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@creative51 Please test me with a disconnected issue.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

CommonHuman comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Sometimes on Saturday morning i get the urge to go around knocking on doors and ask if they believe in god. Then ask them why

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@creative51 Yes

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

KKGator comments on Oct 2, 2019:

There is no "message" to spread. People are either going to embrace reason and logic, or they're not. Personally, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who can attest to it, I probably take a more antagonistic approach. I don't suffer fools gladly, like ever. I think those who believe in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@KKGator Agreed to disagree.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Mofo1953 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not me, contrary to what believers do, I don't proselytize. I don't use labels either, so as a non-believer I will vigorously defend my POV only if challenged, otherwise I live and let live.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@Mofo1953 And you have tried how many times? Genuine seeking info only.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

maturin1919 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

No thanks.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@maturin1919 but if I met you by chance and started speaking out of intentional friendliness?

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

HankSherman comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Had a christian friend out of the blue message me asking if I had heard the "good news".??.....since I fairly regularly post something to my face book from agnostic.com, that way, by "I approve this message" type of posting., I spread the world with my take on things.......anyway, I said that yes, ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Clever original reply !

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

KKGator comments on Oct 2, 2019:

There is no "message" to spread. People are either going to embrace reason and logic, or they're not. Personally, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who can attest to it, I probably take a more antagonistic approach. I don't suffer fools gladly, like ever. I think those who believe in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@Redheadedgammy But it would be a real prize if you succeeded in getting them to listen by whatever means.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

KKGator comments on Oct 2, 2019:

There is no "message" to spread. People are either going to embrace reason and logic, or they're not. Personally, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who can attest to it, I probably take a more antagonistic approach. I don't suffer fools gladly, like ever. I think those who believe in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@KKGator Please keep trying to talk to other religions , but doing it nicely(?)

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

IamNobody comments on Oct 2, 2019:

My only message all along has been "don't tell me what to believe".... Other than that, life goes on.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@IamNobody Fair enough. I like to think that you occasionally do.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

creative51 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I do not think you are agnostic or an atheist. I think you are a christian just looking for a new way to preach.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Glad you are out witch hunting(?) You could not be more wrong. Open to other testing.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

YaAtEeh comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I got a copy of the Dag Hammadi Scriptures that is a translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is the source of most of the Gnostic perseptive, some of whixh is, to my eye, beautiful.. Taken as a whole, it reads the Bible from an allegorical perspetive: that there is a message in the story rather ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Getting back to roots is a very important occupation. Messages are often open to interpretation. What is YOUR interpretation of DSSs?

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

CommonHuman comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Sometimes on Saturday morning i get the urge to go around knocking on doors and ask if they believe in god. Then ask them why

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@CommonHuman Urge to what?

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KKGator comments on Oct 2, 2019:

There is no "message" to spread. People are either going to embrace reason and logic, or they're not. Personally, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who can attest to it, I probably take a more antagonistic approach. I don't suffer fools gladly, like ever. I think those who believe in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@YaAtEeh I am not advocating compulsion.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

maturin1919 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

No thanks.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@maturin1919 You are assuming that I would use the same style.

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genessa comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not I (apart from my being an atheist). I am keen to advocate for separation of church and state but have no need to control what others believe in privately. g

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

You seem a very tolerant person but why should we tolerate religion when we do think it does harm.

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Dancing comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not it.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@genessa Whatever floats your boat.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

GROG comments on Oct 2, 2019:

“Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message? And How? Is there an agnostic message?” I suppose the most keen to spread the message of agnosticism and atheism are those who are making money from their lectures, debates, books, magazines, et al. Personally I am keen for more...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Would dispute your second paragraph but the rest is very good.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Mofo1953 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Not me, contrary to what believers do, I don't proselytize. I don't use labels either, so as a non-believer I will vigorously defend my POV only if challenged, otherwise I live and let live.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

"live and let live" is good. Living in ignorance is bad.

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maturin1919 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

No thanks.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@maturin1919 I am sure you would NOT be annoying.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

mischl comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Just last Saturday morning, two True Believers rang my doorbell. I took just a few minutes to deliver my message: "It's all make-believe. Everything in those scripture books you're carrying was made up by somebody as their idea of what 'god' might be. Not a word--not a SINGLE word in those ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

This is good. Could it have been briefer?

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indirect76 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

This is my agnostic message:

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Subtel!

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

AzVixen52 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Spreading the agnostic "message" is just as bad as spreading "the word of the lord". Let people make up their own minds. If I'm asked, then I'll explain why I believe what I believe. It's not my job to preach ANYTHING.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@Holysocks Who said anything about preaching. There are lots of ways of getting message out.

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powder comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Put children's rights before religious rites. Indoctrinating children is a rite.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Don't understand second sentence.

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maturin1919 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

No thanks.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Thanks for trying. Do you want to see the GOOD way the religionists do it?

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Triphid comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I have been an Atheist, NOT an Agnostic though, since about 8 years of age and I regularly discuss my Atheism with anyone who wants to hear it.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

Glad you are so sure.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Larry-new comments on Oct 3, 2019:

I do not advertise my unbelief, and expect believers to act similarly. For a believer to even acknowledge that unbelief exists opens the door to their wasted lives. They burned us , when they could...lest we forget.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 3, 2019:

I would have thought it was obvious that we need to support religionists through any change that we propose.

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St-Sinner comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I am not agnostic but I will give you one on atheism... "Live a life of reason and reality, not of ignorance and myth."

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@St-Sinner Maybe these two paragraphs only apply to some people in America but I am not sure about that or whether it applies in the UK also.

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IamNobody comments on Oct 2, 2019:

My only message all along has been "don't tell me what to believe".... Other than that, life goes on.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

I would go further and say " I am not going to do anything or believe anything I am told [policepersons excepted] unless I can think it through with reason and/or logic.

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Truthseeker1968 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Agnostic message is the same as the Christian message: They will know us by our non-judgmental acceptance, our love and our compassion. Except that we really mean that shit. Its not a mask we wear to the masquerade party that is Christianity.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@Truthseeker1968 It gets even better.

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St-Sinner comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I am not agnostic but I will give you one on atheism... "Live a life of reason and reality, not of ignorance and myth."

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@St-Sinner ...or better human being ?? .. we can all improve.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

KKGator comments on Oct 2, 2019:

There is no "message" to spread. People are either going to embrace reason and logic, or they're not. Personally, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who can attest to it, I probably take a more antagonistic approach. I don't suffer fools gladly, like ever. I think those who believe in ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

Could "Reason and Logic" not be a message in itself [with examples of solutions that are not possible with religion]?

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

Truthseeker1968 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Agnostic message is the same as the Christian message: They will know us by our non-judgmental acceptance, our love and our compassion. Except that we really mean that shit. Its not a mask we wear to the masquerade party that is Christianity.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

This is good. We are getting somewhere. Have you any stories about its successful use?

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

St-Sinner comments on Oct 2, 2019:

I am not agnostic but I will give you one on atheism... "Live a life of reason and reality, not of ignorance and myth."

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

These are very good but I would prefer never to mention god. I was in a Humanist group that used " Faith in Humanity" as a strap-line.

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creative51 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

If you have not noticed, there is a very wide range of views of agnostic - atheistism. So there is no "message" other than follow your open inquiring mind.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@creative51 I do not understand this phrase "you are over thinking this".

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ToolGuy comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Irrelevant. Keep it out of my government and education and believe what you want. Not interested in proselytizing atheism or agnosticism.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@ToolGuy proselytizing is "getting it out there". Would you prefer our process of broadcasting was given another name. We cannot use preaching as everyone is too used to that. Could it be "Reasoning" or " Reasologic"?

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RiverRick comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Keen to spread the message? What are you, Christian?

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@RiverRick Sorry but any change needs "selling" even if it involves no money. That's just the way we are. Religious people are NOT going to accept logic and reason.

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ToolGuy comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Irrelevant. Keep it out of my government and education and believe what you want. Not interested in proselytizing atheism or agnosticism.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

@ToolGuy Is it the same as' Outing of gays'?

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noworry28 comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Spread what message, that people should use their brain to think for themselves instead of being sheeps and parrots who follows and repeat some book that if someone took the time to read would figure out that it is nonsense. Agonostics and atheists don't go around knocking on people's doors trying ...

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

Agree but there must be quicker methods that do not involve knocking on doors and yet are still acceptable to us and involve no pressure.

Who amongst us is the most keen to spread the agnostic message?

ToolGuy comments on Oct 2, 2019:

Irrelevant. Keep it out of my government and education and believe what you want. Not interested in proselytizing atheism or agnosticism.

Mcflewster replies on Oct 2, 2019:

We keep it under the covers then ?