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Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 10, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck I totally disagree with that. The truth is the exact opposite. The Israelis, more accurately, realize the Islamicists are bargaining in bad faith, never make even the slightest of concessions (name one), and nitpick the details until the Israelis and Americans throw up their hands in disgust.
What baffles me is why you are so adamantly pro-Islam! Stop calling them Palestinians! We're talking Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc. Terrorists who've only stopped bombing Tel Aviv discoteques and downtown markets and temples because Israeli security forces made it impossible.
What REALLY mystifies me is the people you're defending are, as noted before, YOUR enemies as well. They consider agnostics, atheists, homosexuals, etc. the lowest of the low. You wouldn't last two minutes on a street in Gaza. Are you KIDDING me? They are anti-democratic, anti-pluralism, anti-diversity, anti-women's rights, anti-free speech, anti-equality, in fact, they are 100% against everything we value in a free society.
Most especially, if you are even agnostic or, Allah forbid!, an atheist, they consider you an abomination, the worst kind of Infidel. They would torture to within an inch of your life, and that's just for starters.
The Israelis know this far better than you ever will. Don't you realize these "Palestinians" CHOSE Hamas as their representatives? Don't you know Hamas, and the PLO before them, have NO interest in concluding a "peace" agreement with the Jews? None.
When are going to wake up and realize, once and for all, your tolerance and compassion and "enlightened reasonableness" falls on deaf ears, runs into a brick wall, when dealing with them. You may feel sorry for them, they want to slit your throat.
WAKE UP!
Why on earth are you defending them?
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 10, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck I totally disagree with that. The truth is the exact opposite. The Israelis, more accurately, realize the Islamicists are bargaining in bad faith, never make even the slightest of concessions (name one), and nitpick the details until the Israelis and Americans throw up their hands in disgust.
What baffles me is why you are so adamantly pro-Islam! Stop calling them Palestinians! We're talking Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc. Terrorists who've only stopped bombing Tel Aviv discoteques and downtown markets and temples because Israeli security forces made it impossible.
What REALLY mystifies me is the people you're defending are, as noted before, YOUR enemies as well. They consider agnostics, atheists, homosexuals, etc. the lowest of the low. You wouldn't last two minutes on a street in Gaza. Are you KIDDING me? They are anti-democratic, anti-pluralism, anti-diversity, anti-women's rights, anti-free speech, anti-equality, in fact, they are 100% against everything we value in a free society.
Most especially, if you are even agnostic or, Allah forbid!, an atheist, they consider you an abomination, the worst kind of Infidel. They would torture to within an inch of your life, and that's just for starters.
The Israelis know this far better than you ever will. Don't you realize these "Palestinians" CHOSE Hamas as their representatives? Don't you know Hamas, and the PLO before them, have NO interest in concluding a "peace" agreement with the Jews? None.
When are going to wake up and realize, once and for all, your tolerance and compassion and "enlightened reasonableness" falls on deaf ears, runs into a brick wall, when dealing with them. You may feel sorry for them, they want to slit your throat.
WAKE UP!
Why on earth are you defending them?
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Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 10, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck Yeah I think it WAS the right of return, but East Jerusalem wasn't NOTHING...the point is, Arafat wasn't really interested, and neither is Hamas and whoever runs the PLO today.
And, yes of COURSE Arafat instigated the Intifada? Who else?
The Palestinian leadership is NOT INTERESTED in peace, don't you get it? They never will be.
Wake up. They're in a perpetual war.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 10, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck Yeah I think it WAS the right of return, but East Jerusalem wasn't NOTHING...the point is, Arafat wasn't really interested, and neither is Hamas and whoever runs the PLO today.
And, yes of COURSE Arafat instigated the Intifada? Who else?
The Palestinian leadership is NOT INTERESTED in peace, don't you get it? They never will be.
Wake up. They're in a perpetual war.
I thought this was appropriate to post here.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck I couldn't agree with you more about the Blood-for-Oil Cheneyfest. Who doesn't?
BUT I thought Arafat (remember him?) killed the best chance at a two-state solution, because he insisted on the "Right to Return," which was impossible, and Barak the Israeli prime minister at the time had a cow, and Clinton almost had an stroke. Then Arafat started the first Intifada. Anyway, I thought the Israelis were willing to dismantle the settlements. In fact, isn't that how Bebe got in there in the first place?
(By the way, taking down Quaddafi in Libya--Obama/Hillary--was another BAD idea.)
I'm against the Democrat's Muslim immigration policy. And I'm a COMMUNIST! I don't care how vetted they are. Why? Because they think the Koran is the word of god. I'll leave it to someone else to do the details. I don't HAVE a rational argument. I hate Muslims, okay? Does that make you happy? Take the moral high ground, I don't care. I'm for keeping them O-U-T!
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck I couldn't agree with you more about the Blood-for-Oil Cheneyfest. Who doesn't?
BUT I thought Arafat (remember him?) killed the best chance at a two-state solution, because he insisted on the "Right to Return," which was impossible, and Barak the Israeli prime minister at the time had a cow, and Clinton almost had an stroke. Then Arafat started the first Intifada. Anyway, I thought the Israelis were willing to dismantle the settlements. In fact, isn't that how Bebe got in there in the first place?
(By the way, taking down Quaddafi in Libya--Obama/Hillary--was another BAD idea.)
I'm against the Democrat's Muslim immigration policy. And I'm a COMMUNIST! I don't care how vetted they are. Why? Because they think the Koran is the word of god. I'll leave it to someone else to do the details. I don't HAVE a rational argument. I hate Muslims, okay? Does that make you happy? Take the moral high ground, I don't care. I'm for keeping them O-U-T!
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Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck I mentioned the Islamic man (in the 1500s?) who led the charge against modernism and brought a screeching halt to the Golden Age--talk about a crime against humanity!
I also mentioned the ignorance if the English, French, et al., following WW II. An excellent argument can be made (and often is) Israel should never have been arbitrarily brought into existence. I might agree.
But it was. They're not going anywhere. Or do you propose we dismantle the Jewish state and walk away...seriously, is that what you want? I mean, realistically, given the real politick of the situation.
Like I said, I personally DON'T CARE what these religious fanatics do to one another. Maybe if they kill each other off an Agnostic Majority will take their place! Yay! C'mon.
Get serious.
All I DO care about is keeping them off American soil. I can safely say this is the ONLY thing I agree with Trump about. It's probably what got him elected in the first place.
I've got to go take care of some business. It's been fun.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck I mentioned the Islamic man (in the 1500s?) who led the charge against modernism and brought a screeching halt to the Golden Age--talk about a crime against humanity!
I also mentioned the ignorance if the English, French, et al., following WW II. An excellent argument can be made (and often is) Israel should never have been arbitrarily brought into existence. I might agree.
But it was. They're not going anywhere. Or do you propose we dismantle the Jewish state and walk away...seriously, is that what you want? I mean, realistically, given the real politick of the situation.
Like I said, I personally DON'T CARE what these religious fanatics do to one another. Maybe if they kill each other off an Agnostic Majority will take their place! Yay! C'mon.
Get serious.
All I DO care about is keeping them off American soil. I can safely say this is the ONLY thing I agree with Trump about. It's probably what got him elected in the first place.
I've got to go take care of some business. It's been fun.
I thought this was appropriate to post here.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck Good point. But again, it only goes so far. Lots of rich people drink the kool-aid too. Maybe as a propaganda-control mechanism, though. The poor DO seem more personally invested in their twisted white-supremicist, confederate-flag'waving, gun nut conspiracy theories, for sure!
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck Good point. But again, it only goes so far. Lots of rich people drink the kool-aid too. Maybe as a propaganda-control mechanism, though. The poor DO seem more personally invested in their twisted white-supremicist, confederate-flag'waving, gun nut conspiracy theories, for sure!
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ArtemisDivine comments on Apr 8, 2019:
More links
https://youtu.be/pHQWezK1ccY
https://youtu.be/e6QC_qEyl0Q
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@kenriley This is for Artemis: Excuse me, as bad as Christians are, they don't espouse throwing the constitution overboard! (Well, not in public anyway.)
How is that in any way similar to Muslims taking over whole sections of cities and setting up their own Sharia courts, outside of and in defiance of our legal system???
ArtemisDivine comments on Apr 8, 2019:
More links
https://youtu.be/pHQWezK1ccY
https://youtu.be/e6QC_qEyl0Q
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@kenriley This is for Artemis: Excuse me, as bad as Christians are, they don't espouse throwing the constitution overboard! (Well, not in public anyway.)
How is that in any way similar to Muslims taking over whole sections of cities and setting up their own Sharia courts, outside of and in defiance of our legal system???
I thought this was appropriate to post here.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck hahaha. I thought exactly the same thing as I was writing it, but I wanted to focus on my point, and thought that may cause me to go off on a tangent. But yes, of course, there are MANY similarities between the Muslim "clerics" and the Christian evangelical "preachers."
Maybe some differences are the societies, cultural milieus, and types of educations. But it's only a difference of degree. Many Christians filter out discordant voices, opposing points of view, in much the same way as Muslim societies filter them out, but not to the same degree. Christians have less excuse for their myopia. They should know better.
But just imagine by comparison the environment in which poverty-stricken Muslims grow up! They stand NO chance to escape their conditioning.They are constantly bombarded with an unchallenged message of bitterness and hate from the moment they are born!
Examine the contrast with you and I. We were conditioned with certain beliefs. But in a relatively free society, with access to any extant point of view, especially with access to the internet, we were free to shape for ourselves a divergent " belief system" contrary to the one our parents, etc., wished for us. These poor Muslims have no such luxury.
I read yesterday agnosticism/atheism has become the dominant "religion" (author's word) in American society, about 23%, outnumbering for the first time Catholics! The author was an evangelical who predicted doom and gloom as a result, of course, but in any case such a development would be unthinkable in a Muslim society.
So while there ARE similarities, there are also stark contrasts!
Storm1752 comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes any generalization is fraught with exceptions. You sound like a paragon of reasonableness and I apologize, but I can't account for every special circumstance, qualifier, and "yes, but..."
Having said that, I DO believe the main problem, notwithstanding typical colonial mistreatment, is the 1) ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck hahaha. I thought exactly the same thing as I was writing it, but I wanted to focus on my point, and thought that may cause me to go off on a tangent. But yes, of course, there are MANY similarities between the Muslim "clerics" and the Christian evangelical "preachers."
Maybe some differences are the societies, cultural milieus, and types of educations. But it's only a difference of degree. Many Christians filter out discordant voices, opposing points of view, in much the same way as Muslim societies filter them out, but not to the same degree. Christians have less excuse for their myopia. They should know better.
But just imagine by comparison the environment in which poverty-stricken Muslims grow up! They stand NO chance to escape their conditioning.They are constantly bombarded with an unchallenged message of bitterness and hate from the moment they are born!
Examine the contrast with you and I. We were conditioned with certain beliefs. But in a relatively free society, with access to any extant point of view, especially with access to the internet, we were free to shape for ourselves a divergent " belief system" contrary to the one our parents, etc., wished for us. These poor Muslims have no such luxury.
I read yesterday agnosticism/atheism has become the dominant "religion" (author's word) in American society, about 23%, outnumbering for the first time Catholics! The author was an evangelical who predicted doom and gloom as a result, of course, but in any case such a development would be unthinkable in a Muslim society.
So while there ARE similarities, there are also stark contrasts!
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TheAstroChuck comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I reject the premise of the argument. Any Muslim congressperson who stands up and advocates a constitutional change or any other matter in congress is performing their patriotic duty and is not part of a conspiracy to to destroy the US.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck (See my reply above.)
TheAstroChuck comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I reject the premise of the argument. Any Muslim congressperson who stands up and advocates a constitutional change or any other matter in congress is performing their patriotic duty and is not part of a conspiracy to to destroy the US.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck (See my reply above.)
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TheAstroChuck comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I reject the premise of the argument. Any Muslim congressperson who stands up and advocates a constitutional change or any other matter in congress is performing their patriotic duty and is not part of a conspiracy to to destroy the US.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@altschmerz so say something. I might sway. I'm not a doctrinaire ideologue like so many on here. I might even let the gun nuts keep a bb ir pellet gun. Actually we SHOULD confiscate EVERY SINGLE GUN IN THE WORLD and melt them into toaster ovens, but I'm reasonable.
TheAstroChuck comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I reject the premise of the argument. Any Muslim congressperson who stands up and advocates a constitutional change or any other matter in congress is performing their patriotic duty and is not part of a conspiracy to to destroy the US.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@altschmerz so say something. I might sway. I'm not a doctrinaire ideologue like so many on here. I might even let the gun nuts keep a bb ir pellet gun. Actually we SHOULD confiscate EVERY SINGLE GUN IN THE WORLD and melt them into toaster ovens, but I'm reasonable.
I thought this was appropriate to post here.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Socialism is something entirely different.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Socialism is something entirely different.
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TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine one of Marx's big mistakes was valling for a "dictatorship of the Prolerariat" which Stalin siezed upon. He may have, in the early days, genuinely believed he'd give up power one day when true socialism took root abd blossomed. Maybe not. But it certainly wasn't sicialism that happened. It was fascism. Same in Cuba and North Korea. And what may be happening in the U.S. is creeping fascism as the oligarchs sieze control of the government, perhaps eventually silence dissent, and BECOME the government, uniting it with the corporations.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine one of Marx's big mistakes was valling for a "dictatorship of the Prolerariat" which Stalin siezed upon. He may have, in the early days, genuinely believed he'd give up power one day when true socialism took root abd blossomed. Maybe not. But it certainly wasn't sicialism that happened. It was fascism. Same in Cuba and North Korea. And what may be happening in the U.S. is creeping fascism as the oligarchs sieze control of the government, perhaps eventually silence dissent, and BECOME the government, uniting it with the corporations.
Don't look down...
Wildflower comments on Apr 8, 2019:
Too scary for me!
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
Me too.
Wildflower comments on Apr 8, 2019:
Too scary for me!
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
Me too.
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TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Yeah, okay, I read your links. So? The author of the second article seems to be confusing fascisn, in which the state "owns the means of production," with socialism, which does not. Soviet Russia was a fascist, authoritarian distatorship, not socialist or communist. SWEDEN is a mix of socialust and free-market capitalism. Swedes are PRAGMATIST, more than anything else. Most of Western Europe is the same. The United States is stubbornly anti-socialist because the oligarchs have succeeded in highjacking the government and only allow oligarch-friendly politicians to gain power.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Yeah, okay, I read your links. So? The author of the second article seems to be confusing fascisn, in which the state "owns the means of production," with socialism, which does not. Soviet Russia was a fascist, authoritarian distatorship, not socialist or communist. SWEDEN is a mix of socialust and free-market capitalism. Swedes are PRAGMATIST, more than anything else. Most of Western Europe is the same. The United States is stubbornly anti-socialist because the oligarchs have succeeded in highjacking the government and only allow oligarch-friendly politicians to gain power.
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TheAstroChuck comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I reject the premise of the argument. Any Muslim congressperson who stands up and advocates a constitutional change or any other matter in congress is performing their patriotic duty and is not part of a conspiracy to to destroy the US.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck Israel would like nothing better than to to left alone to make the desert bloom. The Arabs have been anti-everything worthwhile--arts, sciences, knowledge in general etc.--for about 500 years. Taje away the oil and they're WORTHLESS. All they want to do is silence other voices and be about the business of gobbling up OTHER cultures until they've taken over the entire world for Allah. Anybody IN the world who doesn't realize that is a fool.
TheAstroChuck comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I reject the premise of the argument. Any Muslim congressperson who stands up and advocates a constitutional change or any other matter in congress is performing their patriotic duty and is not part of a conspiracy to to destroy the US.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@TheAstroChuck Israel would like nothing better than to to left alone to make the desert bloom. The Arabs have been anti-everything worthwhile--arts, sciences, knowledge in general etc.--for about 500 years. Taje away the oil and they're WORTHLESS. All they want to do is silence other voices and be about the business of gobbling up OTHER cultures until they've taken over the entire world for Allah. Anybody IN the world who doesn't realize that is a fool.
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kasmian comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Since only american citizens can vote or have a say in this, I'm not sure the muslims who DO wanna "destroy you from within" can actually do that.
I'm not american though, so I don't know how things are in that department.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine It's Hamas.
kasmian comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Since only american citizens can vote or have a say in this, I'm not sure the muslims who DO wanna "destroy you from within" can actually do that.
I'm not american though, so I don't know how things are in that department.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine It's Hamas.
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TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Good. I'm not arguing with you, either. You just have a warped idea of what socialism is. You're probbly thinking of a top-down Stalinist command economy.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Good. I'm not arguing with you, either. You just have a warped idea of what socialism is. You're probbly thinking of a top-down Stalinist command economy.
I thought this was appropriate to post here.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Yes, it is.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 8, 2019:
@ArtemisDivine Yes, it is.
I thought this was appropriate to post here.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 7, 2019:
What's wrong with socialism? Countries like Sweden love it.
TheMiddleWay comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Last I checked, there were plenty of non-muslims in congress who want to change the constitution, impeach our president, and vote for socialism.
*What makes a muslim saying this any different than a non-muslim saying this?*
Storm1752 replies on Apr 7, 2019:
What's wrong with socialism? Countries like Sweden love it.
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Novelty comments on Apr 6, 2019:
I want that disease that one woman had where she orgasmed every time she sneezed.
I get a lot of colds.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
You look like Barbie...or a woodland faerie
Novelty comments on Apr 6, 2019:
I want that disease that one woman had where she orgasmed every time she sneezed.
I get a lot of colds.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
You look like Barbie...or a woodland faerie
Sexy?.. I think so. Classy?.. possibly. Classic? Absolutely!! :)
ToakReon comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Never liked cherries.
Not THOSE cherries, anyway.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@Davekp no issue!
ToakReon comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Never liked cherries.
Not THOSE cherries, anyway.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@Davekp no issue!
Sexy?.. I think so. Classy?.. possibly. Classic? Absolutely!! :)
ToakReon comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Never liked cherries.
Not THOSE cherries, anyway.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@Davekp nope, I'm good!
ToakReon comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Never liked cherries.
Not THOSE cherries, anyway.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@Davekp nope, I'm good!
Not considered personal growtth.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 6, 2019:
So, we're anti-erection now? lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@Petter It's the mileage, my friend.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 6, 2019:
So, we're anti-erection now? lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@Petter It's the mileage, my friend.
Why do so many member of this site spend so much time talking about religion on this site?
Fernapple comments on Apr 5, 2019:
I don't think that they do, if you get out into the groups you will find people posting about all sorts of things, and hardly a mention of religion. It is only on the front page that you find that, perhaps because that is the entry port for what is a mainly anti-theist community.
If you stand ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@wordywalt Couldn't agree more with your recommendations.
Fernapple comments on Apr 5, 2019:
I don't think that they do, if you get out into the groups you will find people posting about all sorts of things, and hardly a mention of religion. It is only on the front page that you find that, perhaps because that is the entry port for what is a mainly anti-theist community.
If you stand ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@wordywalt Couldn't agree more with your recommendations.
Not considered personal growtth.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 6, 2019:
So, we're anti-erection now? lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@MissKathleen Me?!? I think I'll remain neutral on issue, given my advanced age!
Storm1752 comments on Apr 6, 2019:
So, we're anti-erection now? lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@MissKathleen Me?!? I think I'll remain neutral on issue, given my advanced age!
Why do so many member of this site spend so much time talking about religion on this site?
Fernapple comments on Apr 5, 2019:
I don't think that they do, if you get out into the groups you will find people posting about all sorts of things, and hardly a mention of religion. It is only on the front page that you find that, perhaps because that is the entry port for what is a mainly anti-theist community.
If you stand ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@wordywalt The very name of the site attracts people concerned with anti-religious matters. I'm still very interested in these things. But it's not all I read.
Why are you so adamant about it? Why don't you suggest other topics? Like what? Do you already know all there is to know about agnosticism and atheism? Are you a scholar on the subjects?
If so, why don't you give us the benefit of your scholarship? I'm sure are many of who would appreciate it.
Fernapple comments on Apr 5, 2019:
I don't think that they do, if you get out into the groups you will find people posting about all sorts of things, and hardly a mention of religion. It is only on the front page that you find that, perhaps because that is the entry port for what is a mainly anti-theist community.
If you stand ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 6, 2019:
@wordywalt The very name of the site attracts people concerned with anti-religious matters. I'm still very interested in these things. But it's not all I read.
Why are you so adamant about it? Why don't you suggest other topics? Like what? Do you already know all there is to know about agnosticism and atheism? Are you a scholar on the subjects?
If so, why don't you give us the benefit of your scholarship? I'm sure are many of who would appreciate it.
Alcoholism culture is so pervasive in my state that it's actually celebrated.
chucklesIII comments on Apr 5, 2019:
I drink moderately but I certainly don't get excited about booze. The entire concept seems very strange.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@LadyAlyxandrea In which state do you reside?
chucklesIII comments on Apr 5, 2019:
I drink moderately but I certainly don't get excited about booze. The entire concept seems very strange.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@LadyAlyxandrea In which state do you reside?
No pic today.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Am I invited??
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Cutiebeauty I'll take that as an emphatic no.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Am I invited??
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Cutiebeauty I'll take that as an emphatic no.
No pic today.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Am I invited??
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Cutiebeauty No?
Storm1752 comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Am I invited??
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Cutiebeauty No?
Sexy?.. I think so. Classy?.. possibly. Classic? Absolutely!! :)
ToakReon comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Never liked cherries.
Not THOSE cherries, anyway.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Davekp Hey I SAID it was COOL! Interesting. Different. High-end chic. What do you want?
ToakReon comments on Apr 5, 2019:
Never liked cherries.
Not THOSE cherries, anyway.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Davekp Hey I SAID it was COOL! Interesting. Different. High-end chic. What do you want?
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@zblaze Maybe an Agnostic Deist, in that if you define "god" broadly enough, such as "the Universe," you could say there is one, but not a "personal entity which answers prayer."
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@zblaze Maybe an Agnostic Deist, in that if you define "god" broadly enough, such as "the Universe," you could say there is one, but not a "personal entity which answers prayer."
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@zblaze Yeah, sould've gone back and changed that to, "...the truth will happen."
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@zblaze Yeah, sould've gone back and changed that to, "...the truth will happen."
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@zblaze i didn't mean to open up opportunities for a debate. No interest right now. Sorry.
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@zblaze i didn't mean to open up opportunities for a debate. No interest right now. Sorry.
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@zblaze because I don't know
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@zblaze because I don't know
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@bingst Since I don't know, "something!"
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@bingst Since I don't know, "something!"
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@bingst The key difference is, I have hope and you don't?
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@bingst The key difference is, I have hope and you don't?
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@LiterateHiker To me there's a big difference between rhe two, but at the same time it's irrelevant! The similarity is the important thing; no hell and when we die the truth will be evident.
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@LiterateHiker To me there's a big difference between rhe two, but at the same time it's irrelevant! The similarity is the important thing; no hell and when we die the truth will be evident.
Key Differences Between Atheism and Agnosticism
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
It's not open to debate. I'm agnostic and almost certainly always will be. I'LL NEVER KNOW. PERIOD. No debate.
I can live with that. As far as I'm concerned, it's a mystery and always will be a mystery.
LiterateHiker comments on Apr 4, 2019:
<-- Atheist since age 13. I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
To me, "agnostic" means you are unsure if there is a god. This leaves you open to debate. No, thanks.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
It's not open to debate. I'm agnostic and almost certainly always will be. I'LL NEVER KNOW. PERIOD. No debate.
I can live with that. As far as I'm concerned, it's a mystery and always will be a mystery.
Quran: Chapter 9 verse 14:
“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands and ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Your writing shows an academic immaturity for someone who claims erudition. Scholarly texts are taken out of context along with rhetorical and leading statements, some of which I have identified below
“Remarkable prophecies were made regarding Ishmael and his descendants. “
...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 Oh okay so this is an ongoing thing...
Geoffrey51 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Your writing shows an academic immaturity for someone who claims erudition. Scholarly texts are taken out of context along with rhetorical and leading statements, some of which I have identified below
“Remarkable prophecies were made regarding Ishmael and his descendants. “
...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 Oh okay so this is an ongoing thing...
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
Mermaidfantasy comments on Apr 4, 2019:
What I get from both your post is that you think that Ethical Sluts are some mythical creature that is so rare and different from other women that there must be a secret way to approach them and win them over, I can tell you, we are just like every other women, we want respect and honestly. What ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
I understand that. Most of my past girlfriends loved sex and were promiscuous. I didn't know of this specialized use of the word so I would never have considered them sluts! Just normal bisexual women who went out to see their girlfriends and came home. Since I didn't want to get married they eventually moved on. That was normal. And they were no different than the few other women I had relationships with, excepting attitudes, behavior, in some cases more intellectual and LIBERAL, but essentially the same.
YOU sound like you think I'm naive. Maybe. One definition of the word is, 'unaffected innocence,' in other words, deliberately not letting the unpleasant realities of life jade you and make you cynical.
While I don't think Ethical Sluts are magical, mystical creatures (!), I DO think they are different from both common sluts, AND women who accept the patriarchal system as the natural, god-given way-of-the-world. I'm defining the term as a revolutionary feminism. Too much? Well, unless I'm getting it wrong, that's how many in this group define it, as an extension of an agnostic/atheistic worldview, not just a behavior.
Mermaidfantasy comments on Apr 4, 2019:
What I get from both your post is that you think that Ethical Sluts are some mythical creature that is so rare and different from other women that there must be a secret way to approach them and win them over, I can tell you, we are just like every other women, we want respect and honestly. What ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
I understand that. Most of my past girlfriends loved sex and were promiscuous. I didn't know of this specialized use of the word so I would never have considered them sluts! Just normal bisexual women who went out to see their girlfriends and came home. Since I didn't want to get married they eventually moved on. That was normal. And they were no different than the few other women I had relationships with, excepting attitudes, behavior, in some cases more intellectual and LIBERAL, but essentially the same.
YOU sound like you think I'm naive. Maybe. One definition of the word is, 'unaffected innocence,' in other words, deliberately not letting the unpleasant realities of life jade you and make you cynical.
While I don't think Ethical Sluts are magical, mystical creatures (!), I DO think they are different from both common sluts, AND women who accept the patriarchal system as the natural, god-given way-of-the-world. I'm defining the term as a revolutionary feminism. Too much? Well, unless I'm getting it wrong, that's how many in this group define it, as an extension of an agnostic/atheistic worldview, not just a behavior.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@ejbman I'll never again accuse you of being with the Morals Police.
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@ejbman I'll never again accuse you of being with the Morals Police.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@ejbman Yeah it's still tough, always will be, but without sounding flippant, life DOES go on. Thankfully I have my hands full, at present getting my RV ready for a long road trip starting in May. Which may never end.
Look, I enjoy this site, the sense of community and common cause, but I've had problems with carelessly expressing myself. I do my own thing and say what I want, which is fine except when you say it on here, unless you delete it, it's THERE, so better think it over long and hard before you tap that 'send' button!
As far as the term 'Ethical Slut,' goes, I told you the definition I'm going by. I happen to think the word 'slut' is itself asking for misinterpretation. So I wasn't surprised when people thought I was using it in the colloquial and/or dictionary sense, given yesterday's question. I was asking for what I got, in other words. Today I was in part trying to walk that back. Plus there were some da*n good answers, the kind I was looking for in the first place.
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@ejbman Yeah it's still tough, always will be, but without sounding flippant, life DOES go on. Thankfully I have my hands full, at present getting my RV ready for a long road trip starting in May. Which may never end.
Look, I enjoy this site, the sense of community and common cause, but I've had problems with carelessly expressing myself. I do my own thing and say what I want, which is fine except when you say it on here, unless you delete it, it's THERE, so better think it over long and hard before you tap that 'send' button!
As far as the term 'Ethical Slut,' goes, I told you the definition I'm going by. I happen to think the word 'slut' is itself asking for misinterpretation. So I wasn't surprised when people thought I was using it in the colloquial and/or dictionary sense, given yesterday's question. I was asking for what I got, in other words. Today I was in part trying to walk that back. Plus there were some da*n good answers, the kind I was looking for in the first place.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
Mermaidfantasy comments on Apr 4, 2019:
That you are to quick to put a label on someone, maybe take the time to get to know her first. Treat all women with the respect you would want to be treated. Maybe start by saying hi and asking her name and giving yours. I do not see why getting the chance to meet a Slut would be any different than ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
So I was trying to get a good insightful give-and-take going. I won't lie: having to defend myself on ethics, motives, etc. IS hard. The temptation is to react with self-righteous indignation! But I was stupid yesterday and I paid the price. So be it.
Mermaidfantasy comments on Apr 4, 2019:
That you are to quick to put a label on someone, maybe take the time to get to know her first. Treat all women with the respect you would want to be treated. Maybe start by saying hi and asking her name and giving yours. I do not see why getting the chance to meet a Slut would be any different than ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
So I was trying to get a good insightful give-and-take going. I won't lie: having to defend myself on ethics, motives, etc. IS hard. The temptation is to react with self-righteous indignation! But I was stupid yesterday and I paid the price. So be it.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
Mermaidfantasy comments on Apr 4, 2019:
That you are to quick to put a label on someone, maybe take the time to get to know her first. Treat all women with the respect you would want to be treated. Maybe start by saying hi and asking her name and giving yours. I do not see why getting the chance to meet a Slut would be any different than ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Okay, first, I wasn't personally asking for advice. I was making up a hypothetical scenario, hoping to both correct the botched question of yesterday, and secondly get the desired insights about the essence of what IS an Ethical Slut. I thought by and large it went well enough.
A few thought a different approach is necessary than the one made to an "average" woman because a liberated, emancipated, promiscuous woman is more worldly, sophisticated, less naive, more (counterintuitive as this may seem) discriminating. That is, she knows exactly what she wants and how to get it. Then the question is, are you that person? Games which might work on other fall flat with her. She can spot artifice a mile away. And so on.
Mermaidfantasy comments on Apr 4, 2019:
That you are to quick to put a label on someone, maybe take the time to get to know her first. Treat all women with the respect you would want to be treated. Maybe start by saying hi and asking her name and giving yours. I do not see why getting the chance to meet a Slut would be any different than ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Okay, first, I wasn't personally asking for advice. I was making up a hypothetical scenario, hoping to both correct the botched question of yesterday, and secondly get the desired insights about the essence of what IS an Ethical Slut. I thought by and large it went well enough.
A few thought a different approach is necessary than the one made to an "average" woman because a liberated, emancipated, promiscuous woman is more worldly, sophisticated, less naive, more (counterintuitive as this may seem) discriminating. That is, she knows exactly what she wants and how to get it. Then the question is, are you that person? Games which might work on other fall flat with her. She can spot artifice a mile away. And so on.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@hippydog btw---like most things in life, if you're not willing to make mistakes and learn from them, take your lumps and be resilient, stand up for yourself when warranted, and back down when you're wrong, and through it all have a strong moral backbone on which to rely, you've already lost. I have that so I don't sweat the small stuff. Still, it IS tough to be challenged on moral grounds.
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@hippydog btw---like most things in life, if you're not willing to make mistakes and learn from them, take your lumps and be resilient, stand up for yourself when warranted, and back down when you're wrong, and through it all have a strong moral backbone on which to rely, you've already lost. I have that so I don't sweat the small stuff. Still, it IS tough to be challenged on moral grounds.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@hippydog Oh. Well, except for a few corrective/defensive maneuvers required by yesterday's fiasco, and the hostility of one respondent in particular, I think the answers were pretty good!
Why, what do you think I wanted compared to what the post SEEMS to be asking for?
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@hippydog Oh. Well, except for a few corrective/defensive maneuvers required by yesterday's fiasco, and the hostility of one respondent in particular, I think the answers were pretty good!
Why, what do you think I wanted compared to what the post SEEMS to be asking for?
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
FlippantLlama comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You have asked this question from a couple of different perspectives, so I'm going to do my best to answer it in a very straight-forward manner. Being an Ethical Slut does not mean someone is easier to get into bed. It means they know what they want, and they are more comfortable being honest with...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Nukdookum Right.
FlippantLlama comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You have asked this question from a couple of different perspectives, so I'm going to do my best to answer it in a very straight-forward manner. Being an Ethical Slut does not mean someone is easier to get into bed. It means they know what they want, and they are more comfortable being honest with...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Nukdookum Right.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Marcie1974 I'm not asking for personal advice. It is a hypothtical scenario which hopefully elicits an informative and insightful discussion.
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Marcie1974 I'm not asking for personal advice. It is a hypothtical scenario which hopefully elicits an informative and insightful discussion.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
FlippantLlama comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You have asked this question from a couple of different perspectives, so I'm going to do my best to answer it in a very straight-forward manner. Being an Ethical Slut does not mean someone is easier to get into bed. It means they know what they want, and they are more comfortable being honest with...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Marcie1974 Okay.
FlippantLlama comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You have asked this question from a couple of different perspectives, so I'm going to do my best to answer it in a very straight-forward manner. Being an Ethical Slut does not mean someone is easier to get into bed. It means they know what they want, and they are more comfortable being honest with...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Marcie1974 Okay.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
In my experience.. you treat them like any other lady.. until they tell you otherwise.. and if they like you.. they WILL tell you.. then the conversation can be handled differently (which really just means , you can be as honest as you want and they wont get offended)..
..
I guess one difference ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
But can't you be an Ethical Slut AND 'play coy' about it? After all, by the operative definition, at least as I understand it, she is an educated, sophisticated woman. Awareness of herself and her surroundings would seem to be essential, and go with the territory, so to speak. She would necessarily be discrminating about whom she associates in general, and certainly about her choice in amours.
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
In my experience.. you treat them like any other lady.. until they tell you otherwise.. and if they like you.. they WILL tell you.. then the conversation can be handled differently (which really just means , you can be as honest as you want and they wont get offended)..
..
I guess one difference ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
But can't you be an Ethical Slut AND 'play coy' about it? After all, by the operative definition, at least as I understand it, she is an educated, sophisticated woman. Awareness of herself and her surroundings would seem to be essential, and go with the territory, so to speak. She would necessarily be discrminating about whom she associates in general, and certainly about her choice in amours.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Marcie1974 Marcie, I rephrased the question because it was, through my fault, badly botched the first time. Plain and simple. And the fruitful discussion on what is the essence if an Ethical Slut was buried beneath an avalanche of personal criticism. So far the response this time is much more constructive and enlightening.
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Marcie1974 Marcie, I rephrased the question because it was, through my fault, badly botched the first time. Plain and simple. And the fruitful discussion on what is the essence if an Ethical Slut was buried beneath an avalanche of personal criticism. So far the response this time is much more constructive and enlightening.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
Nukdookum comments on Apr 4, 2019:
I'll answer with a question of my own. "A woman looks across a crowded room and spots you an attractive man; her clairvoyant spider sense sends a tingle down her spine, and she's SURE: Ethical Slut. She goes through her mental data base for intel on best ways to make a man's acquaintance...Da*n! ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
That is an AMAZING answer. Thank you.
Nukdookum comments on Apr 4, 2019:
I'll answer with a question of my own. "A woman looks across a crowded room and spots you an attractive man; her clairvoyant spider sense sends a tingle down her spine, and she's SURE: Ethical Slut. She goes through her mental data base for intel on best ways to make a man's acquaintance...Da*n! ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
That is an AMAZING answer. Thank you.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@ejbman Thank you for your compassion. I am referring, however, to the operative definition used by this group. But if you would like to tell us about the book to which you refer, it would certainly be inteesting.
I currently have a two women which are helping me get over the untimely demise of my common-law wife of 10 years, in 2016. This is why I oppose excessive drinking as a lifestyle choice. So while I appreciate your concern, I'm holding up quite well, but thank you. I understand you yourself enjoy multiple partners, so I have no doubt you are quite happy, which makes me wonder why you feel the need to badger me for the second time, and accuse me in addition to posting pictures of underage women. Is it ME, or has someone appointed you to the Morals Police?
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@ejbman Thank you for your compassion. I am referring, however, to the operative definition used by this group. But if you would like to tell us about the book to which you refer, it would certainly be inteesting.
I currently have a two women which are helping me get over the untimely demise of my common-law wife of 10 years, in 2016. This is why I oppose excessive drinking as a lifestyle choice. So while I appreciate your concern, I'm holding up quite well, but thank you. I understand you yourself enjoy multiple partners, so I have no doubt you are quite happy, which makes me wonder why you feel the need to badger me for the second time, and accuse me in addition to posting pictures of underage women. Is it ME, or has someone appointed you to the Morals Police?
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Huh?
hippydog comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You ask a question.. then mansplain on the answers? Thats confusing, and strikes me as dishonest..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Huh?
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
FlippantLlama comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You have asked this question from a couple of different perspectives, so I'm going to do my best to answer it in a very straight-forward manner. Being an Ethical Slut does not mean someone is easier to get into bed. It means they know what they want, and they are more comfortable being honest with...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Yes, Ms Llama, I KNOW what an ethical slut is, and that she is not "easier to get into bed." She is a La Femme Boheme, a very cultured, educated, sophisticated, emancipated woman who has taken control of her own body and her own life and sleeps with as many, or as few, partners as she deems fit, without asking the permission of you, me, the patriarchy, or anybody else.
She is free in ALL aspects of her life, and is to be treasured as a prized friend, lover, business associate, or in any other way you may be lucky enough to know her.
So I ask the question from THAT perspective.
FlippantLlama comments on Apr 4, 2019:
You have asked this question from a couple of different perspectives, so I'm going to do my best to answer it in a very straight-forward manner. Being an Ethical Slut does not mean someone is easier to get into bed. It means they know what they want, and they are more comfortable being honest with...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Yes, Ms Llama, I KNOW what an ethical slut is, and that she is not "easier to get into bed." She is a La Femme Boheme, a very cultured, educated, sophisticated, emancipated woman who has taken control of her own body and her own life and sleeps with as many, or as few, partners as she deems fit, without asking the permission of you, me, the patriarchy, or anybody else.
She is free in ALL aspects of her life, and is to be treasured as a prized friend, lover, business associate, or in any other way you may be lucky enough to know her.
So I ask the question from THAT perspective.
You look across a crowded room and you spot an attractive woman; your clairvoyant spider sense sends...
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Will you PLEASE spend some time reading what is meant in the group by the appelation, Ethical Slut, befire you apply the standard Webster's Dictionary definition to the question?
An Ethical Slut is a highly sophisticated, educated, refined, and cultured woman who enjoys her self-appointed freedom to sleep with as many partners as she sees fit, without asking for the permission of you or anybody else.
ejbman comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Since you can't *really* be sure, since clairvoyance doesn't exist, and since nobody wants to be approached by a stranger who treats them like a slut (ethical or otherwise), approach the woman with respect and dignity. Engage her as a person, not prey. That's your best chance of getting any kind of ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Will you PLEASE spend some time reading what is meant in the group by the appelation, Ethical Slut, befire you apply the standard Webster's Dictionary definition to the question?
An Ethical Slut is a highly sophisticated, educated, refined, and cultured woman who enjoys her self-appointed freedom to sleep with as many partners as she sees fit, without asking for the permission of you or anybody else.
Quran: Chapter 9 verse 14:
“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands and ...
KKGator comments on Apr 3, 2019:
No one was "wondering".
Most people here don't care any more or less about islam than any other religion.
No one is really interested in an explanation of anything about it.
I deride islam, and ridicule it, just like all the others.
Islam is bullshit. It serves no useful purpose. All it does ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@OwlInASack Oh yeah, just like the Conquistadors weren't ALL Christians! MOST of them had nothing to do with wiping out whole civilizations and millions of people! No, don't blame THEM...they're fine!
KKGator comments on Apr 3, 2019:
No one was "wondering".
Most people here don't care any more or less about islam than any other religion.
No one is really interested in an explanation of anything about it.
I deride islam, and ridicule it, just like all the others.
Islam is bullshit. It serves no useful purpose. All it does ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@OwlInASack Oh yeah, just like the Conquistadors weren't ALL Christians! MOST of them had nothing to do with wiping out whole civilizations and millions of people! No, don't blame THEM...they're fine!
Quran: Chapter 9 verse 14:
“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands and ...
Sgt_Spanky comments on Apr 3, 2019:
*“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands... "*
Passages like this are very revealing. Why would an omnipotent being, in control of all the cosmic power in the universe, need a bunch of primitive, pathetic, and powerless humans to enact his will for him?
The short answer...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
EXCELLENT point.
Sgt_Spanky comments on Apr 3, 2019:
*“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands... "*
Passages like this are very revealing. Why would an omnipotent being, in control of all the cosmic power in the universe, need a bunch of primitive, pathetic, and powerless humans to enact his will for him?
The short answer...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
EXCELLENT point.
Quran: Chapter 9 verse 14:
“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands and ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Your writing shows an academic immaturity for someone who claims erudition. Scholarly texts are taken out of context along with rhetorical and leading statements, some of which I have identified below
“Remarkable prophecies were made regarding Ishmael and his descendants. “
...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
What is your point? Your point of view? Simply attacking him without a countervailing position is not helpful.
Geoffrey51 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Your writing shows an academic immaturity for someone who claims erudition. Scholarly texts are taken out of context along with rhetorical and leading statements, some of which I have identified below
“Remarkable prophecies were made regarding Ishmael and his descendants. “
...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
What is your point? Your point of view? Simply attacking him without a countervailing position is not helpful.
I need examples of what you have in mind.
Bungaloebob comments on Apr 4, 2019:
WELL...WHAT I HAVE in mind for...WHAT?
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Never mind. I got it.
Bungaloebob comments on Apr 4, 2019:
WELL...WHAT I HAVE in mind for...WHAT?
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Never mind. I got it.
Another brickhouse?
Storm1752 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Well, that's SORT OF like porn...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Davekp I see the Thought Police are busy cleaning up the trash left over from the party. Shooing the stragglers out the doir at 3:00 in the morning.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Well, that's SORT OF like porn...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Davekp I see the Thought Police are busy cleaning up the trash left over from the party. Shooing the stragglers out the doir at 3:00 in the morning.
is this kosher enough?
MojoDave comments on Apr 4, 2019:
If you're unhappy with this group, go start your own.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Oh so it was YOU!
Nah, I'll just ignore this one. Besides, now I have new boundaries to skirt. It was never about the content, it's about questioning authority
MojoDave comments on Apr 4, 2019:
If you're unhappy with this group, go start your own.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
Oh so it was YOU!
Nah, I'll just ignore this one. Besides, now I have new boundaries to skirt. It was never about the content, it's about questioning authority
Another brickhouse?
Storm1752 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Well, that's SORT OF like porn...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Davekp oh I'm WAAAY over it.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Well, that's SORT OF like porn...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@Davekp oh I'm WAAAY over it.
Another brickhouse?
Storm1752 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Well, that's SORT OF like porn...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@MojoDave no thanks
Storm1752 comments on Apr 4, 2019:
Well, that's SORT OF like porn...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 4, 2019:
@MojoDave no thanks
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Touched Thank you. You can SAY that, but you're speaking as would a believer who says he KNOWS there IS a god, with absolutely no evidence to support your contention.Many atheists try to have it both ways, with no credibility. If they ssy they're NOT sure, then they're not an atheist, they're agnostic. If they ARE sure, they're no different than the people they mock.
I KNOW there's no way fir you to logically claim certainty, therefore you are illogical. Hence, atheism if defined as a certainty is as much of a fraud as any belief system, and I appreciate you being honest about it.
Thus, despite people's attempts to blur the distinctions and say the terms are synonymous there are sharp differences. From my point of view, agnosticism is the only supportable position.
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Touched Thank you. You can SAY that, but you're speaking as would a believer who says he KNOWS there IS a god, with absolutely no evidence to support your contention.Many atheists try to have it both ways, with no credibility. If they ssy they're NOT sure, then they're not an atheist, they're agnostic. If they ARE sure, they're no different than the people they mock.
I KNOW there's no way fir you to logically claim certainty, therefore you are illogical. Hence, atheism if defined as a certainty is as much of a fraud as any belief system, and I appreciate you being honest about it.
Thus, despite people's attempts to blur the distinctions and say the terms are synonymous there are sharp differences. From my point of view, agnosticism is the only supportable position.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Deiter comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Many obsess over designations and apellations. Put me in the *Who Cares?* contingent. For me, it's all kind of beside the point. I agree with your definition: When evidence is presented, I'll take a look. In the meantime, they've got nothing. Just keep those beliefs out of my life.
I find it ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Deiter I know. Better to throw out the entire nonsensical myth to begin with, is my contention. It's self-evidently false, and "Jesus" and the "afterlife" have nothing to do with each other; refuting the one does not refute the other. "Jesus" didn't "save" anyone, "he" didn't confer everlasting life. But that doesn't MEAN anything, except whoever made up the gospels" were full of sh*t.
Plus, you say just because the water walker cheats death doesn't mean WE get to, but that's weak. If he HAD, then him promising it to others holds a certain amount of weight, you must admit; that's why they claimed it to begin with. BUT it's a stupid claim, as we know, and giving us an afterlife is no more or less absurd than the rest of it. For instance, WHY is the way narrow that leads to this afterlife? Because the author says so, no other reason. The author ALSO says he dies for our "sins." Really? So if he died for our sins (another absurdity) why is the way to "salvation" narrow? Only died for some sins and not others?
Please. The whole thing is retarded.
Deiter comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Many obsess over designations and apellations. Put me in the *Who Cares?* contingent. For me, it's all kind of beside the point. I agree with your definition: When evidence is presented, I'll take a look. In the meantime, they've got nothing. Just keep those beliefs out of my life.
I find it ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Deiter I know. Better to throw out the entire nonsensical myth to begin with, is my contention. It's self-evidently false, and "Jesus" and the "afterlife" have nothing to do with each other; refuting the one does not refute the other. "Jesus" didn't "save" anyone, "he" didn't confer everlasting life. But that doesn't MEAN anything, except whoever made up the gospels" were full of sh*t.
Plus, you say just because the water walker cheats death doesn't mean WE get to, but that's weak. If he HAD, then him promising it to others holds a certain amount of weight, you must admit; that's why they claimed it to begin with. BUT it's a stupid claim, as we know, and giving us an afterlife is no more or less absurd than the rest of it. For instance, WHY is the way narrow that leads to this afterlife? Because the author says so, no other reason. The author ALSO says he dies for our "sins." Really? So if he died for our sins (another absurdity) why is the way to "salvation" narrow? Only died for some sins and not others?
Please. The whole thing is retarded.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Storm1752 comments on Apr 3, 2019:
I didn't read it. Too long. Ancient argument. I stuck my neck out too, only to take my lumps.
Atheist--knows there's no god.
Agnostic-- doesn't know if there's a god.
The ONLY thing I ffel I know FOR SURE is, there is no hell. No "god" could be that evil.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Doraz That is, IF there is a "god." Still no evidence in support of such a possibility.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 3, 2019:
I didn't read it. Too long. Ancient argument. I stuck my neck out too, only to take my lumps.
Atheist--knows there's no god.
Agnostic-- doesn't know if there's a god.
The ONLY thing I ffel I know FOR SURE is, there is no hell. No "god" could be that evil.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Doraz That is, IF there is a "god." Still no evidence in support of such a possibility.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Storm1752 comments on Apr 3, 2019:
I didn't read it. Too long. Ancient argument. I stuck my neck out too, only to take my lumps.
Atheist--knows there's no god.
Agnostic-- doesn't know if there's a god.
The ONLY thing I ffel I know FOR SURE is, there is no hell. No "god" could be that evil.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Doraz In other words, there is no evidence for a "god" and if one insists god is "good," hell or no hell, the evidence is convincing there isn't. So if one insists there IS a "god," that "god" must be "evil." Put another way, god must be a complete asshole. OR, as an alternative, "god" must be something else entirely different than which is commonly thought. No clue what that might be, which is precisely the agnostic point of view.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 3, 2019:
I didn't read it. Too long. Ancient argument. I stuck my neck out too, only to take my lumps.
Atheist--knows there's no god.
Agnostic-- doesn't know if there's a god.
The ONLY thing I ffel I know FOR SURE is, there is no hell. No "god" could be that evil.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Doraz In other words, there is no evidence for a "god" and if one insists god is "good," hell or no hell, the evidence is convincing there isn't. So if one insists there IS a "god," that "god" must be "evil." Put another way, god must be a complete asshole. OR, as an alternative, "god" must be something else entirely different than which is commonly thought. No clue what that might be, which is precisely the agnostic point of view.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Storm1752 comments on Apr 3, 2019:
I didn't read it. Too long. Ancient argument. I stuck my neck out too, only to take my lumps.
Atheist--knows there's no god.
Agnostic-- doesn't know if there's a god.
The ONLY thing I ffel I know FOR SURE is, there is no hell. No "god" could be that evil.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Doraz I thought "good" was one of the defining characteristics of "god." But you're right; to believe in "god," the definition would have to be radically revised.
Storm1752 comments on Apr 3, 2019:
I didn't read it. Too long. Ancient argument. I stuck my neck out too, only to take my lumps.
Atheist--knows there's no god.
Agnostic-- doesn't know if there's a god.
The ONLY thing I ffel I know FOR SURE is, there is no hell. No "god" could be that evil.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Doraz I thought "good" was one of the defining characteristics of "god." But you're right; to believe in "god," the definition would have to be radically revised.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Deiter comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Many obsess over designations and apellations. Put me in the *Who Cares?* contingent. For me, it's all kind of beside the point. I agree with your definition: When evidence is presented, I'll take a look. In the meantime, they've got nothing. Just keep those beliefs out of my life.
I find it ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Deiter Maybe nitpicking the way you expressed your point.There was no Jesus. STRONG evidence for that. Start there.
On the other hand, NO strong evidence PROVES there is an afterlife. No strong evidence DISPROVES it either.
So the link between "Jesus" and any possible afterlife doesn't really exist. So your argument is weak. IS there an afterlife? Beats the hell out of me.
Deiter comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Many obsess over designations and apellations. Put me in the *Who Cares?* contingent. For me, it's all kind of beside the point. I agree with your definition: When evidence is presented, I'll take a look. In the meantime, they've got nothing. Just keep those beliefs out of my life.
I find it ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Deiter Maybe nitpicking the way you expressed your point.There was no Jesus. STRONG evidence for that. Start there.
On the other hand, NO strong evidence PROVES there is an afterlife. No strong evidence DISPROVES it either.
So the link between "Jesus" and any possible afterlife doesn't really exist. So your argument is weak. IS there an afterlife? Beats the hell out of me.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Touched Oh, so you claim you KNOW? Finally! A true atheist! Thank you! However, since it is not possible to rationally KNOW such a thing, sans concrete evidence, it therefore follows you are irrational and deluded. But you ARE an atheist. Congratulations!?
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Touched Oh, so you claim you KNOW? Finally! A true atheist! Thank you! However, since it is not possible to rationally KNOW such a thing, sans concrete evidence, it therefore follows you are irrational and deluded. But you ARE an atheist. Congratulations!?
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Agnostics have opinions. I myself don't believe there's a god. The most strident fundamentalist Christian has his opinions, and HE'S agnostic. Everybody is. Opinions are irrelevant.
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Agnostics have opinions. I myself don't believe there's a god. The most strident fundamentalist Christian has his opinions, and HE'S agnostic. Everybody is. Opinions are irrelevant.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
genessa comments on Feb 17, 2019:
i will quote isaac asimov:
“I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@genessa i just did. Again. You just think 'atheist' sounds cooler. It SOUNDS ignorant.
genessa comments on Feb 17, 2019:
i will quote isaac asimov:
“I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@genessa i just did. Again. You just think 'atheist' sounds cooler. It SOUNDS ignorant.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
ArtzyNerd comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe there is a god in that have all power over us. Also am open to other forces that could be at play but not a god.
I think you can be atheist and not agnostic. People could say they do not believe there is a god or anything else.
I think people could ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@ArtzyNerd cool
ArtzyNerd comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe there is a god in that have all power over us. Also am open to other forces that could be at play but not a god.
I think you can be atheist and not agnostic. People could say they do not believe there is a god or anything else.
I think people could ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@ArtzyNerd cool
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
PBuck0145 comments on Feb 17, 2019:
It is very simple:
Q1 "Does a god exist?"
A1 "I don't know, I'm agnostic."
Q2 "Do you believe that a god exists?"
A2 "No, I'm an atheist."
No sane atheist would claim to be able to prove the non-existence of a god, hence any sane atheist is also agnostic.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
No, I'm agnostic. I don't know.
PBuck0145 comments on Feb 17, 2019:
It is very simple:
Q1 "Does a god exist?"
A1 "I don't know, I'm agnostic."
Q2 "Do you believe that a god exists?"
A2 "No, I'm an atheist."
No sane atheist would claim to be able to prove the non-existence of a god, hence any sane atheist is also agnostic.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
No, I'm agnostic. I don't know.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Marz comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I hear you on this. I call myself an atheist to make it clear I’m a nonbeliever, and also to fight against the stigma again non believers. As if to say “I’m an atheist, this is what we look like.”
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
But you're not.
Marz comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I hear you on this. I call myself an atheist to make it clear I’m a nonbeliever, and also to fight against the stigma again non believers. As if to say “I’m an atheist, this is what we look like.”
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
But you're not.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
David1955 comments on Feb 17, 2019:
How does this keep turning up as a new post, when in fact it's the Halley's Comet of the Community, the Old Faithful, the Oh No Not You Again!, Oldie but a Goodie, just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water..post?
For the record, I commented eons ago, stating my atheist ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You can call yourself whatever. In reality you're agnostic.
David1955 comments on Feb 17, 2019:
How does this keep turning up as a new post, when in fact it's the Halley's Comet of the Community, the Old Faithful, the Oh No Not You Again!, Oldie but a Goodie, just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water..post?
For the record, I commented eons ago, stating my atheist ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You can call yourself whatever. In reality you're agnostic.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Pedrohbds comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Nice text, I agree.
Strong atheism believe in the non existence due to lack of evidences.
Weak atheism is a refusal to believe, just working and taking decisions based on data and facts.
I am using this terminology because on the day to day life and decisions, both will act as if there is no ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Ignorance is bliss.
Pedrohbds comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Nice text, I agree.
Strong atheism believe in the non existence due to lack of evidences.
Weak atheism is a refusal to believe, just working and taking decisions based on data and facts.
I am using this terminology because on the day to day life and decisions, both will act as if there is no ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Ignorance is bliss.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
David1955 comments on Feb 17, 2019:
@silvereyes. Is it not true that this flame up between agnostics and atheists has mostly subsided on this site, compared to the first months of the operation of the site? Seems to me that the two "sides" have accepted that while differences exists, sometimes irreconcilable differences of opinion, ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Irrelevant.
David1955 comments on Feb 17, 2019:
@silvereyes. Is it not true that this flame up between agnostics and atheists has mostly subsided on this site, compared to the first months of the operation of the site? Seems to me that the two "sides" have accepted that while differences exists, sometimes irreconcilable differences of opinion, ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Irrelevant.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
genessa comments on Feb 17, 2019:
i will quote isaac asimov:
“I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You're agnostic whether you like it or not. Period.
genessa comments on Feb 17, 2019:
i will quote isaac asimov:
“I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You're agnostic whether you like it or not. Period.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Dancing comments on Feb 17, 2019:
For me, I dgaf. I call myself atheist and I don't care about the if I think this then I'm called that bla bla bla. When I say I'm an atheist, it communicates that I do not believe in any gods.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Doesn't matter. You're agnostic.
Dancing comments on Feb 17, 2019:
For me, I dgaf. I call myself atheist and I don't care about the if I think this then I'm called that bla bla bla. When I say I'm an atheist, it communicates that I do not believe in any gods.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Doesn't matter. You're agnostic.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
False. Agnostics are agnostics. Everybody is.
Touched comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Agnostics are cautious theist..
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
False. Agnostics are agnostics. Everybody is.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
ASTRALMAX comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Phew! What a long post and a well written one. It reminds me of Voltaire's Zadig. Zadig came across two groups of people at a temple and they were almost at each other's throats with one group saying that a person should enter the temple with the right foot stepping first and the other group who ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
We're all agnostic. Period.
ASTRALMAX comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Phew! What a long post and a well written one. It reminds me of Voltaire's Zadig. Zadig came across two groups of people at a temple and they were almost at each other's throats with one group saying that a person should enter the temple with the right foot stepping first and the other group who ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
We're all agnostic. Period.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
linxminx comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Very well written. Some do need to make the distinction between agnostic and atheism.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Everybody is agnostic.
linxminx comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Very well written. Some do need to make the distinction between agnostic and atheism.
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Everybody is agnostic.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
WilliamFleming comments on Feb 17, 2019:
A person’s opinion about religion is of little importance. Dressing up your opinion with some grand label does not change the fact that we are all abysmally ignorant about the ultimate nature of reality, including ourselves and conscious awareness itself, which is the only thing that enables this ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
THANK YOU. All these people yammer on about what they "believe" and "not believe" when they don't KNOW anything and are just blowing smoke. Everybody is agnostic and it doesn't MATTER what they think.
WilliamFleming comments on Feb 17, 2019:
A person’s opinion about religion is of little importance. Dressing up your opinion with some grand label does not change the fact that we are all abysmally ignorant about the ultimate nature of reality, including ourselves and conscious awareness itself, which is the only thing that enables this ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
THANK YOU. All these people yammer on about what they "believe" and "not believe" when they don't KNOW anything and are just blowing smoke. Everybody is agnostic and it doesn't MATTER what they think.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
ArtzyNerd comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe there is a god in that have all power over us. Also am open to other forces that could be at play but not a god.
I think you can be atheist and not agnostic. People could say they do not believe there is a god or anything else.
I think people could ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Believe what you want. You don't KNOW anything. Agnostic.
ArtzyNerd comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe there is a god in that have all power over us. Also am open to other forces that could be at play but not a god.
I think you can be atheist and not agnostic. People could say they do not believe there is a god or anything else.
I think people could ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Believe what you want. You don't KNOW anything. Agnostic.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Deiter comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Many obsess over designations and apellations. Put me in the *Who Cares?* contingent. For me, it's all kind of beside the point. I agree with your definition: When evidence is presented, I'll take a look. In the meantime, they've got nothing. Just keep those beliefs out of my life.
I find it ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Your post was superior, then you had to then claim Jesus existed and "best death," when all the "evidence" indicates strongly there was no such human entity. Oh well. Nice try.
Deiter comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Many obsess over designations and apellations. Put me in the *Who Cares?* contingent. For me, it's all kind of beside the point. I agree with your definition: When evidence is presented, I'll take a look. In the meantime, they've got nothing. Just keep those beliefs out of my life.
I find it ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Your post was superior, then you had to then claim Jesus existed and "best death," when all the "evidence" indicates strongly there was no such human entity. Oh well. Nice try.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
HappyPlace comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Silvereyes,. Great post. I can't get past the question about if you believe in God and if so how sure you are. An atheist is 100% sure and agnostics are usually 99.9% sure there is no God. What is missing as you point out is the definition of faith in a God. If someone asks if you believe in ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Don't tell me what I believe or what agnostics 'usually' believe. I'm 0% there us a god, and 0% there is no god. Stop being so damn sure.
HappyPlace comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Silvereyes,. Great post. I can't get past the question about if you believe in God and if so how sure you are. An atheist is 100% sure and agnostics are usually 99.9% sure there is no God. What is missing as you point out is the definition of faith in a God. If someone asks if you believe in ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Don't tell me what I believe or what agnostics 'usually' believe. I'm 0% there us a god, and 0% there is no god. Stop being so damn sure.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
DenoPenno comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I can identify. Maybe I am an agnostic atheist. I was once a believer in the Abrahamic god but have come to realize that there is no proof of any gods and various holy books are only the writings of those who believe. The books are written by men and not supreme beings. What is a god? Having a god ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Belief in there NOT being a god is just as bad. You don't know. At all. Admit it.
DenoPenno comments on Feb 17, 2019:
I can identify. Maybe I am an agnostic atheist. I was once a believer in the Abrahamic god but have come to realize that there is no proof of any gods and various holy books are only the writings of those who believe. The books are written by men and not supreme beings. What is a god? Having a god ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Belief in there NOT being a god is just as bad. You don't know. At all. Admit it.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Agamic comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Nice post.
The only exception I take to the wording occurs in the following portion of a sentence:
"The difference is quite simple: atheist refers to someone who BELIEVES that there is no god (or gods)," (emphasis mine).
Because many "religionists" argue that atheism is simply another "belief ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You're agnostic. You just think atheist sounds cooler.
Agamic comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Nice post.
The only exception I take to the wording occurs in the following portion of a sentence:
"The difference is quite simple: atheist refers to someone who BELIEVES that there is no god (or gods)," (emphasis mine).
Because many "religionists" argue that atheism is simply another "belief ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You're agnostic. You just think atheist sounds cooler.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
icolan comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Well written, but you overlooked one detail in your explanation and summarization.
You summarized the definition of atheist as "atheist refers to someone who believes that there is no god (or gods)", is only partially correct. You overlooked several words in there that make a subtle, but ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You're agnostic regardless.
icolan comments on Feb 17, 2019:
Well written, but you overlooked one detail in your explanation and summarization.
You summarized the definition of atheist as "atheist refers to someone who believes that there is no god (or gods)", is only partially correct. You overlooked several words in there that make a subtle, but ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You're agnostic regardless.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Rustee comments on Mar 3, 2019:
This was well thought-out, and well written, thank you for sharing your thoughts and the result of your searching and cogitating! Agnostic and atheist are similar terms, but, yes, they define different perspectives. I call myself an atheist because I strongly believe that there is no god (or are no ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Zdx"Call" yourself what you want. You ARE agnostic.
Rustee comments on Mar 3, 2019:
This was well thought-out, and well written, thank you for sharing your thoughts and the result of your searching and cogitating! Agnostic and atheist are similar terms, but, yes, they define different perspectives. I call myself an atheist because I strongly believe that there is no god (or are no ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Zdx"Call" yourself what you want. You ARE agnostic.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Charlietuna7 comments on Mar 18, 2019:
I agree with you and without having done all that research I started calling myself an agnostic atheist. My reasoning was I don't believe in a god or gods like in religion. The agnostic part is because I like to recognize that I don't know what could be , especially when it comes to a power that is ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You can "think in terms of" anyghing you wish. But you don't KNOW sh*t. Ergo: agnostic.
Charlietuna7 comments on Mar 18, 2019:
I agree with you and without having done all that research I started calling myself an agnostic atheist. My reasoning was I don't believe in a god or gods like in religion. The agnostic part is because I like to recognize that I don't know what could be , especially when it comes to a power that is ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
You can "think in terms of" anyghing you wish. But you don't KNOW sh*t. Ergo: agnostic.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
cruxter comments on Apr 2, 2019:
I've also traveled that agnostic/atheist trail, and have come this conclusion: I am a post Big Bang atheist, and a pre Big Bang agnostic. I know - we shouldn't think in terms of 'before the Big Bang since time started then, but that is my stand. We pretty well have it nailed that the universe ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
How do YOU know time started then? Maybe it's a nevr-ending cycle.
cruxter comments on Apr 2, 2019:
I've also traveled that agnostic/atheist trail, and have come this conclusion: I am a post Big Bang atheist, and a pre Big Bang agnostic. I know - we shouldn't think in terms of 'before the Big Bang since time started then, but that is my stand. We pretty well have it nailed that the universe ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
How do YOU know time started then? Maybe it's a nevr-ending cycle.
A pastor told me today that he is sorry that I have not felt the love of god.
Danliny comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I am also a skeptic regarding God, how & why so many of my friends have faith & believe so hard.
My belief is I am a human, and God doesn't make my choices. I think that's the difference: humanity is self fulfilling, not forced or lead to make a decision.
I think the book called "bible", was ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
I think what they REALLY believe in, is belief.
Danliny comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I am also a skeptic regarding God, how & why so many of my friends have faith & believe so hard.
My belief is I am a human, and God doesn't make my choices. I think that's the difference: humanity is self fulfilling, not forced or lead to make a decision.
I think the book called "bible", was ...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
I think what they REALLY believe in, is belief.
A pastor told me today that he is sorry that I have not felt the love of god.
chazwin comments on Feb 14, 2019:
Christianity is a sick religion. God creates us ill and command us to be well. He creates us sinful and demands we be virtuous. He creates us to hate ourselves and demands we work to achieve is love. He creates us rational beings and demands we suspend our reason to believe in the absurd.
You can...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Okay, but saying we were created 'sinful' was for me not an optimal choice of words. Just me.
chazwin comments on Feb 14, 2019:
Christianity is a sick religion. God creates us ill and command us to be well. He creates us sinful and demands we be virtuous. He creates us to hate ourselves and demands we work to achieve is love. He creates us rational beings and demands we suspend our reason to believe in the absurd.
You can...
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
Okay, but saying we were created 'sinful' was for me not an optimal choice of words. Just me.
What qualities do you look for in a sex partner?
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Wildflower
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Wildflower
What qualities do you look for in a sex partner?
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Wildflower RV "Boot Camp" is April 26-28 at Pine Mountain RV Resort, between Columbus and Atlanta. So I was going to give myself plenty of time, and leave here April 20-21, or so. Not sure.
After it's done, going to go see dear old 96 y.o. mom, then either back to north Florida OR to the WIN RV Club caravan going north to (eventually) Maine. Undecided.
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 3, 2019:
@Wildflower RV "Boot Camp" is April 26-28 at Pine Mountain RV Resort, between Columbus and Atlanta. So I was going to give myself plenty of time, and leave here April 20-21, or so. Not sure.
After it's done, going to go see dear old 96 y.o. mom, then either back to north Florida OR to the WIN RV Club caravan going north to (eventually) Maine. Undecided.
What qualities do you look for in a sex partner?
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Wildflower Really, no problem. Maybe some time though.
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Wildflower Really, no problem. Maybe some time though.
What qualities do you look for in a sex partner?
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Wildflower Ha! Figured it was bs...Too bad. It would have taken a LOT if nerve, but for a second yhere you had me going. Would have been fun. Fun TALKING about it anyway!
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Wildflower Ha! Figured it was bs...Too bad. It would have taken a LOT if nerve, but for a second yhere you had me going. Would have been fun. Fun TALKING about it anyway!
What qualities do you look for in a sex partner?
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Wildflower Now I'm curious. Tomorrow would be good...!
Wildflower comments on Mar 31, 2019:
A partner who can communicate and listen, has empathy, compassion, and passion. Must be able to kiss sensually! lol
Storm1752 replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Wildflower Now I'm curious. Tomorrow would be good...!
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