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Today my friend had to euthanize her beloved dog. I was heartbroken for her. People always talk about our pets being "over the rainbow bridge" but they never talk about all the animals we've eaten. Where do they go? If the rainbow bridge existed and I was going to see all my lost pets, wouldn't a flock of angry chickens and other farm animals I've eaten be waiting for me too? I wish I could believe in an afterlife sometimes. I'd love to see my dad again. I want to hold my poodle Lucy and never let her go. Releasing my belief in an afterlife was one of the most difficult parts of leaving religion behind.

Sorcha 7 June 11
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Got some of the typical responses from the veggies and pet owners: People believe what they wish to be true. No amount of wishing or belief makes anything true.
The production of your vegetarian food is devastating to the ecology of the earth, but you veggies will argue. Billions of animals are killed every year in the production of plant food. No dog or cat can be healthy as a vegetarian. Period. You are hurting your pet. And this statement

That Humans, though, are able to think about what is ethical and what is not is not supported by history. Read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith and get back to me.

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Of course, we'd all love to imagine ourselves happily chatting with all the people we've loved..while playing with all the pets we've loved, hearing new songs by a skinny, healthy Elvis, etc. That's undoubtedly one of religion's best ''hooks,'' isn't it?

Your flock of angry chickens image is SCARRRYYYYYY! I can see snapping lobsters, gaping clams and wildly pursuing squid, waving their tentacles....

Good point.^^^ 😀

The movie "What Dreams May Come" starring Robin Williams depicts this fantasy. However, given his exit from this world one has to wonder what his thoughts were in reading the script nevermind acting in it. Was he a religious person? Being an atheist, I found the movie rather moving from the standpoint of what happens to the living after we die, especially in a sudden and unexpected way. I don't remember it being an overtly religious message. I could be wrong.....

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I probably never really believed in afterlife BS because I had very little trouble letting go of it. I was far more attached to the comforting lies that my religious faith would protect and guide me and mine to a comprehensible, meaningful existence in this life. My focus on the here and now was probably my religious undoing.

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I detest such maudlin thought. No organism has a soul.

Here's a book I read that makes it clear that there is no such thing as a soul-

"Most Americans believe they possess an immaterial soul that will survive the death of the body. In sharp contrast, the current scientific consensus rejects the traditional soul, although this conclusion is rarely discussed publicly. In this book, a cognitive scientist breaks the taboo and explains why modern science leads to this controversial conclusion. In doing so, the book reveals the truly astonishing scope and power of scientific inquiry, drawing on ideas from biology, psychology, neuroscience, philosophy, and the physical sciences.

Much more than chronicling the demise of the traditional soul, the book explores where soul beliefs come from, why they are so widespread culturally and historically, how cognitive science offers a naturalistic alternative to religious conceptions of mind, and how postulating the existence of a soul amounts to making a scientific claim.

Although the new scientific view of personhood departs radically from traditional religious conceptions, the author shows that a coherent, meaningful, and sensitive appreciation of what it means to be human remains intact. He argues that we do not lose anything by letting go of our soul beliefs and that we even have something to gain.

Throughout, the book takes a passionate stand for science and reason. It also offers a timely rejoinder to recent claims that science supports the existence of the soul and the afterlife.

[amazon.com]

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I have a neighbor that is generally pleasant but lately has been playing a lot of Lawrence Well music. He is quite old and has trouble getting around. I'm thinking of putting him down

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I'm happy to be vegetarian. Eating my fellow animals just seems cruel and terribly wrong. Also, livestock farming is bad for the environment. And a vegetarian diet is better for my health.

As for euthanizing pets (and even humans) to relieve them of their terminal pain, I believe it is merciful to give them a helping hand.

Then why don't you say something about all the animals that are eating each other Is it cruel for a killer whale pack to separate the young from the mother right whale and then eat it?It is against the nature of nature to be a vegetarian/vegan. Boy will I get it for that comment. Remember facts are often very inconvenient.
How about the cognitive dissonance really being aware that your dog or cat are carnivores and need to eat meat in order to thrive and be healthy?

@Healthydoc70 True, some animals do eat other animals. Some animals, though, are vegetarians. Most animals are unable to reason things out. They just go by instinct. Humans, though, are able to think about what is ethical and what is not. Do we eat like the carnivore animals, or the vegetarian animals? I think it more ethical to eat a vegetarian diet. I acknowledge that some may disagree. I do not insist on controlling what others eat. But I can and do control what I eat.

@Healthydoc70 One of my dogs is a vegetarian. She's on a special diet due to liver disease. And since I have two dogs the other is mostly Vegetarian as well. They are doing very well and are healthy without eating meat. Also, the second dog once had cancer and remains cancer-free. I'm an omnivore, btw. but eat very little meat.

@Healthydoc70 I'm always amused by people who respond to my being vegetarian by saying "but cats kill mice" or whatever. I prefer not to argue, I just think to myself "you are comparing your intelligence and morality to a cat's".

@Healthydoc70 Dalai Lama points to his canines

@btroje He's celibate isn't he?

@Gareth i think so

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Really?

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So sad. As a kid I had a beloved cat, so loyal, my father made both our lives hell/ Back when I was a believer, in the days when the church said animals don't have souls, I told myself when I died, if she came with me as a guide I would go, if not, heaven can wait = forever.

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I can’t say that I ever bought into that ‘see our loved ones in the next life.’ I only realized that, reading your post! I may have had thoughts about heaven with streets paved with gold...but why? Who cares about streets paved with gold? What an odd idea to teach to poor people? We couldn’t eat gold!

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I had to do this a year ago last June. Second to burying my Mother. Putting down my beloved dog was one the hardest thing I've ever done.

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Einstein showed us that all matter is a form of energy, even humans and animals, so since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, we have always existed and will always exist in some energy form.

Quantum physics already proves that multiple dimensions exist.

There could be reincarnation, for that matter. Much research has been done on children ages 2-6 years old, worldwide, who remembered past lives, even as ghosts between reincarnations, and as trees and animals.

Researchers verified the details of what the children remembered.

"For us believing physicists, the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." -Einstein.

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Putting down my dogs was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done.

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Any version of afterlife has always felt false to me.

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People use the idea of the Rainbow bridge as a way to soothe them self after the loss of a pet. Just like the idea that people wait in heaven for them. That being said you know as well as I do that logic has little place in mythology.

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Yeah, we euthanase animals, but not humans, that is just wrong !

Things are changing, albeit slowly. I so hope euthanasia will be an option for me should I need this.

@pryan
I agree !

We treat our pets better than our humans. When it's time to put people out of their terminal pain, we should be able to give them a helping hand.

@BestWithoutGods
Yip, so we should !

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