Is Atheism a belief system?
The knee-jerk reaction of an atheist is “no of course not. It’s the disbelief in God“
Now I just read a very intelligent linguistic breakdown of the true meaning of agnostic, but let’s just go with the current popular meaning which is “ I don’t know if there’s a god, there could be.”
My experience is self-described agnostics find themselves to be very open minded. They can’t prove a negative so they leave it open ended.
So what does that say about atheists? By definitively saying that we don’t believe there’s a god what we are also saying is that we do believe God is a human invention. This is still not an assertion of a religion. It’s a theory. It’s based on observation of the entire history of our species, around the globe, and history of every major religion. But there’s no way around the fact that it still involves a small leap of faith. The most I can tell a theist is that I’m satisfied with the evidence I see that the I concept of God was a creation of human beings. Just as I am satisfied with the observable evidence behind evolution.
I just find it a somewhat interesting paradox that it does take some faith to be an atheist.
It’s the Agnostics that have no faith. And frankly I find it an indefensible position. If you properly egg knowledge we are hard evidence leads, then it is the most lazy and apathetic conclusion to draw that you simply “don’t know“. I have far more respect for the the theist who makes no claim to be able to prove his belief, and simply says it’s a matter of blind faith.
It’s a shame, I wish this website had a more inclusive name. The content is great, but I have no business on “Agnostic.com” because I am not one.
Your thoughts as always are deeply appreciated.
Pier
I agree with a lot of folks here that it isn't a belief system, as it's specifically the lack of belief that makes someone an atheist.
Every knowledge we have, we got it either by experience (e.g. you know that a knife is sharp because it cuts well or if you spin around much you get dizzy), or by being told/thaught. Now for the part of being told, it can be a scientific fact that we actually believe (e.g. heliocentric solar system, opposed to a geocentric that we believed over 400 years ago), it can be something cultural as religion or "common sense" (e.g. you'll get a cold if you [...]), or anything generaly accepted as true. Now, everything you know and believe, is based on the above. You make interpretations about the world as you see it, and you fill the blanks with reasonable, logical explanations, or with simple "I don't know"s.
But not believing in a god is not a belief system on it's own, in my opinion, it's more like a logical conclusion.
And I never heard anybody say " I have faith that there is no god" nor "I have faith in scientific facts". This ideas are contrary to the definition of faith.
And you really get bothered by the name of the site? Lol
There is absolutely no doubt that all the ideas about gods, angels, fairies, hell, paradise etc. all come from human imagination. This includes of course all the terminology that comes or goes with it. So the argument whether humans created gods etc. is somewhat lrrelavant. The narrative is a human invention.
Atoms existed well before the Greeks coined the term. Now we call these old buggers Atomists. We just like labels. Millennia later quarks were discovered. Strangely I have no yet heard the term Quarkist.
I am not satisfied with the term atheist because it still included the -theist part. For me the very question of the existence of gods and their little helpers is a nonsense.
Agnostics discribes those who don't know. We find all believers from all religions in this group.
It is really pussyfooting around. As if there was a sort of primitive fear lingering, the fear that some divine authority might be watching.
Perhaps the term atheism could be replaced by universalist but Catholicism means exactly that. Perhaps I should try Rationalist and the opposition as "Irrationalists.
Though I am not totally satisfied with the term atheist* it describes best my position in regard to the opposition.
Don't make this to complicated .My mind examine the facts and stated religion is a business that preys on those who do not choose to accept facts over fiction. I am not an agnostic because I believe with all my heart there is no god the universe has existed forever and will continue to do so in many different ways forever. The conception of a god that could create the universe is beyond belief and out of nothing.
Even the word "atheist" has Theist in it, so the god people got ya coming and going. I don't give that much regard to weird stories about giants and talking snakes.
Look, just look at all the headspace this stuff takes up, and none of it is real. You can have a moral center without object lessons like "The Parable of the Harsh Master" and other heartwarming tales of Slavery.
An honest atheist will tell you they are agnostic as well. No one 'knows' that a god exists, so everyone is actually an agnostic, including theists. They don't know either, but they are real good at petending that a god exists.
That is about as inclusive a name that a web site could have IMO.
Calling atheism a "belief system" is disingenuous, at best, and deliberately dishonest, at worst.
I find that those who will insist that atheism is a belief system are almost always
believers who are looking for ways to discredit atheists.
It's pathetic and a waste of time. Not to mention, it's just plain false.
I wish they'd just stop.
Its old people trying to tell us how we think. First Atheist there is no god FACT! No proof there ever was one!The Earth is over 4.5 billion years old FACT! It is older than dirt FACT! Gods and was invented to control people and give people a reason not to look for the truth. Humans are very superstitious and there is your gods and religions!
I’m atheist not agnostic... I don’t need to keep an open mind about the ridiculous. This site may be agnostic but at least it’s atheist friendly
It takes no "faith" or any kind of mumbo jumbo to be an "atheist" , just a capacity to observe and reason and to be willing to do so.
Being uncertain in the face of group madness about wizards and genies is understandable. People in general lack a perspective on this. They can't see that things like evolution are facts, and are immediately observable. They become obsessed with stuff about "God", playing God, what sort of beard oil God uses, because they of course have enough "faith" that God is white man shaped.
That's a confrontational stance. It presumes you already know what form 'God' takes.
I'm an agnostic, because I don't know if there is anything out there that we don't understand.
We still haven't worked out what's happening with black holes.
Ridiculing agnostics is unkind.
The two terms are not mutually exclusive. I am both, an agnostic atheist. The two terms answer two different questions. Agnostic answers the epistemological question: what can I claim to know? No one can claim to know absolutely so we are agnostic. Atheist answers the question: what has our knowledge led us to believe? Whether you focus on all the evidence that points to god as a human creation, or the conspicuous lack of evidence for anything supernatural so far, if there’s not a particular proposed god that you find more likely than the rest you’re probably also technically atheist. I find the people who are afraid to use the term atheist are just not comfortable defending this distinction and it’s easier to say I don’t know n be done with the argument. Whatever floats your boat, but most of us are technically both whether we use both terms or not.