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I am curious if anyone ever wonders how can this really smart person believe in God? I consider myself a really open minded person but I just can’t understand it. I’m just curious as to other people’s opinion so please share your thoughts. Thanks !

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New research (ICE) that indicates brain structure changes as a result of home/community environment. To the point of DNA changes.

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”
― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle

JacarC Level 8 July 17, 2018
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I've always said; "a person cannot believe in science and god".

They can if they believe that god was a scientist. 🙂

@IAJO163 Not on his best day !! They are lots of other gods and more people believe in other religions than christ !! Still a POS FAIRY TALE !! NOT REAL never has been ! SCIENCE is the only one true answer to EVERYTHING !1 PRAY ALL YOU WANT IT WON"T CURE CANCER but SCIENCE WILL !!

@Ricky64 Are you trying to sway me to a hard side? lol. The world isn't black and white and as long as the only factual thing that exists is belief, we can continue to be open minded about things. 😉

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Cognitive dissonance. They believe (and I have to include myself in that group, formerly) what their eyes tell them isn't so. (Mark Twain had a better quote but I can't recall it at the moment.)

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Organized religion is many faceted, and much good has been done under its auspices. But many of its fundamental precepts are aimed at recruitment and the tactics used have proven effective over time. Funny how the same tactics are used by the political right these days; fear and misdirection. Even smart people can be suckered.

Only if you are a complete and total MORON !! I have a Degree in Industrial Technology and Industrial Electronics and the church is and always has been a JOKE !!

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I always wonder how Doctors and other scientists can believe in God.

craige Level 4 July 15, 2018

I wonder that same damned thing...

Brain damage !!!

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I know a great many intelligent people who believe in god, and I think it's because they compartmentalize. They separate all that biblical, faith-based dogma from their intellectual selves and never bring it out for examination. They walk into a church like it's a place for receiving, not reflection, but they'll walk into a college lecture hall ready to do battle. I don't understand it because I prefer to think and examine everything, but maybe it's a little like the powerful executive who enjoys being submissive in a D/s relationship? Religion lets them turn it all off and be submissive.

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I wonder the same thing. Just my own opinion, but I think believers are a tad feeble minded. But at the same time, I do know that a small percentage of the usa's leading scientists are believers so there is that. The majority, though, are agnostic or atheist. I tend to agree with Richard Dawkins that "the more you know, the less you believe".

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A combination of tribal affiliation and compartmentalism I would guess.

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There seems to be a need in some humans for somebody else (god) to be in charge of things that they do not understand and thus a need for a god.

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Intelligence doesn't guarantee rightness or clarity or self-consistency. Intelligence is like a fast CPU on a computer. That computer can still be running slow, buggy, or just plain wrong software.

Religion is also compartmentalized. It's entirely possible to be, say, a brilliant brain surgeon and at the same time, a young earth creationist.

Humans aren't logical, consistent, or logically consistent. Even unbelievers sometimes hold inconsistent, illogical views apart from their lack of god-beliefs.

@Matias I don't think it would be very easy for a young earth creationist to be a paleontologist, that would break through the walls of the compartment too much.

It's true that a brain surgeon is more a technician / craftsman than a scientist but he must master a great deal of science to be allowed to practice, and cannot help but encounter the theory of evolution in the process. The TOE permeates a lot of science, particularly biology and genetics.

As for a brilliant physicist or biochemist ... well maybe the best answer to that is, are there any current examples of that? I'm guessing a handful, or maybe none. Occasionally proponents of YEC and ID publish lists of "scientists" who subscribe to their notions and those lists tend to be people with degrees in unrelated fields, or technicians as you suggest. A good example is the originator of the YEC "hydroplate theory" of how the Biblical Flood could have occurred. The guy is not a geologist, or a paleontologist, or a meteorologist or anything else tangentially related to the hypothesis -- he is a mechanical engineer.

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My ex inlaws were very highly educated - Ivy League. Smith and Colgate. Very well read their entire lives revolved around their Congregational Church. My father in law was Deacon, my mother-in-law taught Sunday School and sang in the choir. They were very generous people,bringing Sunday dinner to the elderly and sick, and inviting lonely elders over for Sunday dinner. I respected them and their charity towards others, something I never saw in my Jewish parents.

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I see there are already a lot of ‘answers’ posted here, and suspect something to do with repetitive lies rearranging one's brain might be the best, but deep down - I suspect they know their’s is a lie.. They may suppress that realization to the end, but it has to be there.

They have to know, cuz every once in awhile they meet one of us. Good, honest people - telling it like it is, and how everyone initially perceives it. Nothing to gain, and often times taking a loss for our honesty … that can’t be lost on them..

From what I’ve witnessed, their entire persona has developed around the lies of religion, often their business relations, neighbors, family & friends, too. So they cling to the lie.

I suspect most have been in a situation where ‘both of you’ knew you’d never see the other again, thus share an honest thought or observation. When there, like an interstate rest stop.. I suspect I’m seeing and hearing ‘the real person’ … perhaps one of few times they feel free to be honest. I wonder how that feels to them, and how envious they must be of someone who gets to do that on a regular basis 🙂

Varn Level 8 July 15, 2018
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Our God is a awesome GOD and i want you to belief he's been so good to us.CHEEERS TO THE MERCY SEAT

HA !!!

Double HA!

If you continue to engage in god stuff I will report you & you will be blocked. If you want this to happen then do it again this is my last warning. gods are not permitted on this site.

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Highly intelligent people over the centuries have put great effort into explaining and proving (to their own satisfaction) the existence of God. It's not a matter of intelligence. It has to do with a belief system and the premises of that system.

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What I've had a tendency to notice is that not everyone has logic. Ask yourself why you're an atheist or agnostic? is it logically based or emotionally based. Do you logically "not" believe or do you "feel" that you shouldn't believe? One doesn't have to be ultra intelligent to possess logic nor lacking intelligence to feel. From a logical standpoint "Judge not lest ye be judged" None are better, just different.

My Atheism is logic based… From all we know, and we know a lot, there’s nothing found to be pulling the strings.. ‘Belief’ is a choice, a decision, a desire, not logical.

@Varn It's also the only fact centered in any discussion. 😉

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I've wondered the same thing. How can a person who I know is extremely intelligent and is required take fact based decisions to be successful be so entrenched in religion? The inconsistencies really grate on me. I don't speak up unless it is directed towards me, which it rarely is. One of these people has been very sick in the past. His social media updates are always followed by the thoughts and prayers type support. I also hope for competent and caring medical professionals for him.

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Your post begs the question: Are all atheists unusually smart (high I.Q.), people. When I came this site, I erroneously thought that to be true but after reading some of the member's posts, it is apparently not.

As to believers level of intelligence, I have come to believe that religious belief is a manifestation of social factors rather than a rational thought process. For instance, if one is brought up Catholic by Catholic parents from a Catholic family, live in a Catholic neighborhood, attend Catholic school, attend Catholic church, have all Catholic friends, one is not very likely to question the existence of God or see other faiths as being legitimate. Unlike myself (a high functioning Asperger's Syndrome person), most people are more influenced by social factors (personal interactions, friend's beliefs and actions, local social morays, etc.) than they are aware.

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All the time. I am constantly perplexed by how people I know (who I know are reasonably intelligent, college-educated, professionals), could possibly have fallen for the bullshit that is religion? How can they believe that there is only one god and it cares about them?
Where the hell does that "disconnect" occur?

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I wonder this all the time! With family members. Smart, well educated and boom the find religion.

I know like 5 people all Christian except my half sister who lives in Germany.sometimes think easier lie and just pretend to be believer then tell the truth

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I knew a Jesuit with a PhD in philosophy who was a theist. I just had to scratch my head.

I’m a 50/50 agnostic with a PhD in philosophy and I know many PhDs in philosophy who are theists, although perhaps the atheists in the field do predominate. I suspect what so many of this list find unbelievable is some popular version of Christianity (or Islam) that reads like a fairy tale, and surely no Phd in philosophy subscribes to it. Of course, there’s lots of room on the continuum between the concepts of “an old man in the sky” and “a being than which a greater is not possible"; and it is (something like) this latter that I understand the philosopher-theists believe in and that I am uncertain of.

@Wallace
I have a bachelors in math and philosophy, but this guy was a card carrying Jesuit. I really don’t think he believed in some higher interpretation of the Bible. I’ve met other fairly well educated scientists, philosophers and historians who believe in this bs. I find it farcical that a historian would believe this bs. But they do.

@Gatovicolo Math and philosophy! Great! It is interesting that so many great thinkers were mathematicians and philosophers, such as Leibnitz, Russell, Whitehead, and others.

I taught at Mississippi State U. for 30+years and there I, too, became acquainted with many professors in other fields who were biblical literalists. And after I wrote the note above I remembered a PhD in philosophy who also was, but I still think it is probably rarer in philosophy than in most other academic areas. (This guy was an older Church of Christ preach who, I always cynically thought, came to graduate school in philosophy in hopes the degree would give more authority to his pronouncements.) Best.

@Wallace
I came to study math through symbolic logic. That’s an odd path, I believe. I’ve always admired Russell, Whitehead, Frege and Wittgenstein.

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It's a notion that has confounded me for the longest time.. I don't claim to be super intelligent..but am curious as to the how & why highly intelligent people don't dismiss the existence of god out of hand...

Of course I realise and speculate that most do..but it is difficult to account for the rest..perhaps they hide in the long grass..to avoid ridicule or career barriers etc. ?

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and it's human nature to want a comforting explanation for life, that everything is under control and all will be OK..

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I think it’s not so much a matter of smart/stupid. It is about indoctrination from birth. It is not coincidence that kids take on the religion of their parents. Of course some will be the sort that ultimately make a different choice down the road. It comes down to whether or not you are the sort of person that demands hard evidence as in God appears on a cloud and the whole world sees it. Which, of course, is not necessarily proof that that being was the creator of all. Soft evidence as in look around you at the beauty of the world and that proves God exists. Some, myself included, would call that no evidence.
Lastly, are those that just believe because they feel it’s true. We are certainly living in the era of this belief. If you look at the number of things people now believe, not only with no evidence, but with actual hard evidence that the opposite is a fact. All the hot button issues of the day seem to fall under this category, from climate change to vaccines, people believe what they “feel”is true rather that what the facts show.
Happy times! ?

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Intelligence is vas concept, I am intelligent in my field of art as a wealthy man is intelligent in business.

If we were measuring in IQs. Atheist and other groups have a higher IQ than Christains. If we're measuring in emotions, christains would have a Monopoly. An EIQ would be moving closer to an balance intelligence.

Since 90℅ of biological scientist are non believers and I am a bio -organism first, not based on myth. It is better to take a realistic path. Rather than a blind faith, lost in space.

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Intelligence and faith are two disparate things. There are very intelligent believers and very low intelligence non believers (and everything in between). A lot has do with how you were raised, how you view the world, and how desperately you need have sense made out of a non sensible world (much like how children look to adults to help make sense of their confusing world).

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