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I am a very tolerant person. Lately I have been very disapointed with the admin of this site. This site has deleted posts saying they where offensive or hateful if they are pro Trump. Even in pro Trump groups. Yet I see nothing but hate posted against Trump. I see that as a big self serving agenda. I think for stating you are open to everyones thoughts, you have miss represent this site. You might want to post that you are open only to those that think and feel as you do.

onlyif 8 Sep 8
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Based on your broken syntax and topic, I suspect you are a Russian troll. Consider the background for generating that conclusion, that Trump conspired with Russia to illegitimately win election. The real question is why the Establishment and IC allowed it. The provision of free air time by the MSM shows their complicity. But, in the off-chance that you're not another troll, I've yet to hear of any net-positive thing that Trump has done, and I watch a lot of news. Just list them...

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Republicans and Conservatives like to promote the idea that they are suppressed and discriminated against. I think they got that from their Xtian friends. Most of that is bullshit. Just part of their rhetoric.

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Do you see the offensive, hateful things our "President" says, and the cruelty of what he has done to minorities of every flavor? Well, failure to tolerate intolerance is not intolerance.

Look up Paradox of Tolerance.

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Censorship is unacceptable. Especially here. Regardless of political affiliation.

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Thing is, to be an atheist, or at least an agnostic, one tends to be a critical thinker. We look at the evidence, and weigh up the results. Being thinking science based people, we also tend to be environmentalists, humanists, tolerant or race and sex and pro social justice. Now this would be the antithesis of a Trump supporter......just sayin.

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Please give an example of a deleted post. If it incites violence/threatens someone, it should be removed. If not, ideas should be welcome!

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Believe me, nobody hates Trump as much as I do. Believe me. Believe me. Even so, if someone wants to express their support or even their admiration for this human dog turd they should be allowed to do so. If pro-Trump views are being censored then that is not goodly and I do not support this activity.

I don't need a safe space that protects me from views that contradict my own.

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Members should be able to express their opinions but what you call "hate speak" about Trump may not be so. I would not go across the street to see or hear this POTUS who so far has topped 6000 plus lies in 2 years. How do I know? I fact check. You can too if you care enough. Everything is out there and recorded. You may choose to believe the "real truth and real news" was never around until Trump arrived in politics. This makes me wonder where the "wonder man" gets his facts. He tweets me to death and I just wish he would shut the fuck up! His defenders claim his tweets are fine and this technology was not around with previous presidents. This makes me laugh a little. It seems now that Trump and his swamp want to sue the media to get "fairness" of their views out there. This disturbs me because one such conservative supporter has attacked me on another site where I use this same name as "not being a citizen." The man is college educated and he says this while I was born here. Is this the type of "fairness" that you want to start seeing? I hope not.

As far as administrators of this site or any other site I think they can do as they want to when it is their site. Possibly they do not want a situation where they have to give "equal time" to views not supported by facts. If anything at all makes this premise change then you no longer live in the America that I know. I happen to not support every "letter to the editor" needing to be printed. Media should be able to pick and choose.

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Most pro Trump posts tend to come from trolls, be hateful and denigrating, like their idol. No surprise there. Any Atheist who supports Trump and his Christian Crusade kind of has self hatred issues to start with. Kind of like gays for Trump, who apparently want all the progress they have made toward equal treatment under the law to be reversed. You can be either of those things and be fiscal conservatives, but not what we have in the Oval Office now, a degenerate regressive who wants to take the country back to the era of Robber Barons.

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Trump sucks. Even the most deluded should be able to see that. It’s no surprise that he’s popular with the religious folk. The delude themselves regularly.

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I like how you began with "I am a very tolerant person" for your appeal for more posts featuring a man who is famous for his intolerance.

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I am so sorry we cannot see this positive Trump post that espouses the ideals of our country from which we should all benefit: all genders, all races, rich and poor. People, not businesses. Because I do not think it exists. I have found Trump supporters/ most conservatives on this site spew the same racism, sexism, and classism so often intertwined with religion, and it sickens me. I trust the admin here. If the post is gone, there was probably a good reason.

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I saw one guy, very pro Trump, very confrontational, who had "former Middle East population control expert" in his bio. Openly espousing genocide should never be tolerated in the name of "fairness."

@onlyif just curious, but where did you see a "liberal" posting something comparable?

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While I agree with you about openness, I think one would need to be careful when supporting someone who talks about grabbing women "by the pussy". I believe in fairness but I don't think you have to take it to the point of supporting misogyny, racism or homophobia.

@onlyif Clinton cheated on his wife. He didn't malign an entire group. And as for lieing about it, I wouldn't expect anyone not to. Infidelity is totally different from misogyny. And you're assuming I support Clinton. I don't. He was too far to the right for me.

Clinton lost all my respect when he lied about his affair. While the actual affair didn’t bother me (it happens and is part of human nature, and Trump is more guilty than most) the fact that he looked into the camera (the eye of the people) and told a complete lie turned me off to him the rest of his time in office. The difference is, he did not set our country on a course to take us back to the Dark Ages. Do everything he could to start civil war, ruin the environment, denigrate science over fiction, steal from the poor to give to the rich, turn almost all democratic countries against us while sucking up to the worlds dictators, or in general act like a very spoiled 5 year old

@onlyif Clinton was a wanker but he didn't turn your country into a laughing stock

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i cannot judge because i have not seen the posts, but i have seen posts by pro-trump people, and they DO get pretty vile. they call liberals libtards and worse. i have never seen a reasonable pro-trump post. all the ones i have seen are full of profanity (which doesn't in and of itself bother me, but it does when aimed at another member) and racist garbage. now, if the posts that were removed were not like that, that's one thing, but my experience is that the likelihood of their NOT being like that is slim. since you have not said what the posts said, i can only go by my own experience.

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I notice no specifics are given. My own, personal experience with pro-Trump people is they almost alway watch (only) Fox ‘news’ - something backed up by media analytics data, and is totally unlike all other voting groups, all of which get info from a wide variety of more legitimate news sources - and are so factually MIS-informed on just about everything (truly) that anyone posting genuine facts, data, evidence, science or data- or evidence-based facts - they automatically take as ‘partisan’ or ‘hate’, when in fact the people are just stating facts. Absent any actual data here to back up what’s being said, I tend to assume the same is most likely happening here.

@onlyif I don't get my news from the TV. All the stations are owned by big corporations with agendas. Although everyone has an agenda, the big corporate agenda is almost always diametrically opposed to the well - being of my family.

@towkneed That’s true of the corporate media.It certainly isn’t true of PBS and it’s shows: The NewsHour; Frontline; for science, NOVA and NATURE. As well as NPR’s many great shows, from the general news shows, to the specific: Science Friday for science; On the Media on media analysis; Living on Earth, the excellent weekly environmental program; and many, many others.

@DaveHuntsman I stand corrected. I had not considered PBS. Agree. I used to watch the news hour. And I still listen to NPR, although I prefer democracy now.

@onlyif, @towkneed try independent online news outlets like the YouTube channels, SecularTalk and TYT for political news.

@Akshaylive I already watch TYT, Pakman, etc

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There is censorship by admin and thats not good on a site thats supposed to be made up mainly of free thinkers

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I'm a centrist... And don't do all the reviews. Can you send me a link to a deleted post?

Admin Level 8 Sep 12, 2018

@onlyif Are you certain they aren't blocked from the group?

You can get an alert for a removed post - even thought it is there - if the person who wrote it or the group it's in - have blocked you. I've had this happen.

Usually right after a topic gets heated.

@onlyif if they could access all the other pro-trump posts, then obviously posts are not being deleted or hidden for BEING pro-trump. there must be another reason. again, without looking, i can't tell what the reason could be.

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@onlyif well, not being admin, i cannot begin to guess beyond what i already have suggested. sorry.

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@onlyif not saying that anything was not blocked for the reasons you indicate, but I've been in IT for years and a lot of the time what people think is intentional is actually just a technical glitch or mistake. And maybe half of the problems people bring to me end up being user error. I always try to assume it's either me or a glitch until I have seen something that points definitively to intention.

When it comes to politics I lean heavily to the right, on social issues however I align more with Libertarian views.

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