I just had a mind blowing conversation with my fundamental christian mother. We discussed the bible, evolution, the universe, and other light subjects.
She tearfully admitted that she does not believe the bible to be infallible. She said that it was obviously, "too full of man".
She politely asked me to stop because I was, "crumbling the last foundations of her faith".
I informed her that I wasn't attempting to do that, but that I was glad she was willing to talk about it with me.
I never thought this day would come.
She told me that she thought I was very intelligent and thoughtful and that she admired me.
Up until today, I was only described as wayward and sinful.
Oh, happy day!
Faith is how ignorance copes with the unknown. It's all about education and understanding. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's a self limiting thing to rely on. It's an opiate that calms restless curiosity at the expense of continued growth. As C S Lewis said, " only the vulnerable move among mysteries ". And the letting go of beliefs in order to expand ones understanding is not an easy addiction to break. Being an atheist should be the natural condition and unremarkable. What makes it controversial is that faith has spoiled the purity of thought and created such an obsticle to what's obvious.
Mixed feelings.... I'm glad you and mom had a revelation together.
That's awesome. I wish I could have a conversation like that with my sister. She recently decided being one of the faithful was not enough irrationality for her. She is now in training to become some kind of alternative medicine doctor person thingy. Apparently there is an actual training course for this. I always figured they just made stuff up as they went along.
She actually said to me that all disease is mental and can be cured with the right attitude. So of course I ask "Uh, so all the cancer patients in the world are only sick because they have a bad attitude and can cure themselves by thinking away their tumors?"
Still waiting on an answer to that one.
So nice to hear that you got through to your Mom. That is a hard thing to do. And hard for her to change, too, as it blows up her whole way of living. Be kind to her as she is struggling - show her the positives of non-belief so she doesn't feel that she is losing her religion and gaining nothing. Show her the wonders of the world are still here, even if one doesn't have a god to thank for them. Congrats, and I hope you two have a great future together. I think my Mom (due to my Dad, not me) has really come around on the religion thing, too (although always much more a go-at-christmas-only person) - once she turned 78 or so. She'll be 84 in a few weeks and I've had to slow her roll on spewing anti-religion with my kid around - I don't want my kid to hate people who are religious, just hate the religion! Cool it with the viterol in front of the kid, Mom! Anyway, my Dad has read Skeptical Enquirer for years and Mom has now been reading it, too, and she is so fed up with church getting mucked in with state - and the hypocrites - that she has washed her hands of the whole thing. It has made her a much more politically active Democrat, too. Go Moms!!!
Wow! That’s quite a turn of events it sounds
Gratz! How's she feeling now? Obviously I don't know your relationship but if I was in your shoes I think I'd do something light-hearted with her to try and make her feel better. It's got to be rough going through that.
I wish my sister could admit the same. I got her to that point--she said that what the bible says doesn't matter because it was written by man. But yet when I ask her why she believes in the Christian god in particular she fails to give me any good reasons. Like where do you think this notion of the Christian god comes from?
The labels are what keep is fragmented! Whatever you got from. It cheers.
Good news! It seems she is overcoming her fear to see the light.
@Donotbelieve I'm wondering if she'd be open to reading about the Humanists and their thoughts about living a good life without gods?
@Donotbelieve Well...they have lots of publications...intelligent, logical and loving.
@Donotbelieve My favorite is, now that I actually know the bible, I can come back with any accusation of evil with, Have you read in the bible.....? What is more evil than what god/the ancients condoned in the bible?
WOW! Good for her and good for you! (You're lucky and I'll bet hundreds would envy you that discussion!) I hope it continues and you can have many more of them!
That's awesome that you and your mother can talk about that! It can really bring you closer and you now have a better understanding with each other. I'm happy for you