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I just had a mind blowing conversation with my fundamental christian mother. We discussed the bible, evolution, the universe, and other light subjects.

She tearfully admitted that she does not believe the bible to be infallible. She said that it was obviously, "too full of man".

She politely asked me to stop because I was, "crumbling the last foundations of her faith".

I informed her that I wasn't attempting to do that, but that I was glad she was willing to talk about it with me.

I never thought this day would come.

She told me that she thought I was very intelligent and thoughtful and that she admired me.

Up until today, I was only described as wayward and sinful.

Oh, happy day!

Donotbelieve 9 Sep 13
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Never too late for some people, I guess. Glad you had this experience.

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When I lost my faith, it wasn't one big waking up moment. It was a series of small earthquakes that really shook me, until I realized what I was left standing on was not a foundation stable enough to build a life on. Realizing that was huge, and I definitely went through a mourning process. Church had been such a big part of my life. Be patient with her, she's really feeling that loss and uncertainty right now.

There is such a variety of these holds on us. I just outgrew it, lucky to realize it's bs. Stopped needing its comfort. No fear of hell, etc. Most of my family, whom I used to pray for, are atheist. Yea, now! What's left is the few believers and so many friends from religious days. Variety of church reactions, too. Some are horrible, ungodly--ha. Some are gentler, just sad, like mine.

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Congratulations.. Too bad my conversations with family always ends up in treating me like I'm a devil worshiper lol

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My mother used to be fairly religious but after I came out to her several years ago as an athiest and explained to her why I felt like I did, she had eventually come to a similar conclusion. She is maybe more agnostic at this point but I am glad I could get her to open her world view and make her think for herself. Hopefully you and your mother can find a way to make this bring you two closer together. It did for me.

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This post makes me so very happy for you!

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I love my mother to death, however she became a devoted Christian when her mom died.
Today, speaking about anything god or religion is basically a sin"
I have learned not to bring the subject up about my belief or the lack of an it keeps me in check with her.
She likes to set mental traps to see where I'm standing about her god; learned how to recognize them and take another route.
Still, I'm still considered a devil enabler and surely" heading to hell...

I'm so sorry! Is she logical in other areas of life? How old is she?

@LucyLoohoo

She is very logical as far as her age allows it (90 years old). We do have intelligent conversations about politics and society at large.
The only big problem is her beliefs; at times they could hinder any communication.

@Luiggi I'm sorry. We never know what's going on in 90=-year-old brains! I'm glad she's satisfied with her beliefs and hope it makes her passing easier. She'll need them soon, rather than later. You're a good son!

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Well done the both of you's!

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I see some of the people who wake up to the reality, seem to go through a withdrawal period. Losing the "opiate of the masses" can be quite frightening to a lot of theists. It's just like quitting other drugs.

My Mum is 78 and she went through it a few years ago. She's much happier now. She's told me she appreciates not having to bullshit herself. She loves the power of the truth.

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If the ones in power would admit to the fallacies and be honest, we could at least have honest debates. Have you listened to christian/ atheist debates? Deconversion gets you your brain back. Praise that some elderly keep brians and can use them. Some just sink into the bubble and cannot.

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That's awesome, I'm really happy that she came around. Unfortunately, I often feel that my parents, especially my mother, treat me like a trophy on the mantle: love to bring people in to brag about me and my accomplishments, but all weapons drawn in a panic the second I speak my mind. I don't know how she expects me to get such an intensive science education and not learn to question things. I remember one specific occasion at dinner where I was sitting quietly and respectfully waiting for the rest of my family to finish their prayer when I look over to see my mother glaring at me the entire time and when they finished, she started ranting at me about how I should be respectful and say the prayer with them. Quite frustrating

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Don't be too happy about this. You have helped her see the light, granted, but you have also taken away her security, her sense that there is always Someone out there who will take care of her. You will need to help her build a new set of coping skills so she doesn't feel cast adrift. My suggestion would be to not push it, and to let her set the direction of any conversations you have on this topic. Her fellow church members could also work together to convince her that Satan is using you to lead her astray, so she's not out of the woods yet. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, just my two cents' worth.

@Donotbelieve I have heard of a lot of broken families due to religion because the religious parents feel like they need to punish you to make you believe. It's sad and they loose their opportunity to be an actual parent and be there for you. Instead they ate there for god which is a false since of security and to me a mental illness that people need this crutch to feel secure. They beat their children to get the demons out. They lecture you about belief. All in all when are they actually there for you? Never if all they Sonia follow the Bible on how to raise you instead of coming up with their own conclusions. I am with You and you shall not be judged!

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I had a similar experience with my pastor. As I cornered him, he openly admitted that the Bible was mostly mythological!
I was still openly welcomed in my all inclusive church.
I still attend from time to time to help out and distribute plants to the members (mostly Milkweed for their gardens)

I had a garden center for 30 years but we always had signs up warning people that if they were lactose intolerant, then they should avoid the milkweed plants.

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This brings tears to my eyes, in part because my own mother, who used to be a big part of my life, voted for Trump and I excised her forthwith. You've a powerful, no-nonsense style that I can only hope to achieve some day. Thank you for sharing this.

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Humble in victory, gracious in defeat

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Very cool. cool toconect with moms. congrats

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Very funny and touching.

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I never had a chance to have that conversation with my mother once I gave up supernaturalism. I'm kinda glad I didn't because I was very angry at the time and it wouldn't have gone well.

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Such a great story. My dad taught me to believe in mother nature. I think my mom is a believer so she can fit in. My aunt and uncle know I don't believe. My brother turned super religious and it freaks me out butbhe was always a Napoleon Dynamolite type so I just humour him. He acts like he doesn't remember that I am atheist as we were raised. My grandmother was protestant and then Christian I believe but she was deaf so she never knew her grandchildren never believed in god. She never questioned us not going to church with her. I think I went twice. My father says he got kicked out of Sunday school for asking those impossible questions that they can't answer ? and he got beat with a stick for it to get the Deamons out. Crazy stuff happened to people because of religion and not because of atheist so go figure.

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So, even light subjects can make walls break down. It's like the walls of Jericho, the right sound without a lot of effort, over and over again and they tumbled down.
It indeed must have been a happy day. She needs a lot of careful care now to support the awareness she needs.

Gert Level 7 Nov 2, 2018
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That is a great story

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I am still the “blasphemer” my family. Mother in law is not at all in about pointing that out. To be in your shoes, to hear those words. There is hope. Always hope!

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Great story, thanks for sharing....

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Progress! That is good to hear. Although, I would not suggest pushing too much more.

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"Happy Day"...Indeed ! Almost never happens. Congratulations.

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Thanks so much for sharing! It's a beautiful thing when a loved one's eyes begin open.

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