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There are posts here about the recent shooting at the synagogue in pittsburgh. most people realize that this was a horrible event and that antisemitism itself is horrible, but i am alarmed to see that some people are responding with antisemitic remarks, and annoyed (to put it mildly) that the "justification" appears to be twofold: 1. israel is treating the palestinians badly so it's okay to hate jews, and 2. judaism is a religion, jews are people who follow judaism, therefore they, like other religionists, should be hated. (jews are not all people who follow judaism; jewishness is not the same as judaism, though certainly they can go hand in hand. i'm jewish. i'm an atheist. bite me.) wanting to kill (or disenfranchise, or otherwise discriminate against or even just hate) jews on the basis that israel shouldn't exist (they get history wrong too, and cannot be dissuaded from their misapprehensions) or because bibi is a bad person (he is; so i, in minnesota, should die?) is wrong, ridiculous and alarming. it's also a case of what-aboutism. try explaining that to someone who's doing it on purpose. they know they're doing it. they're not going to say "oh oops sorry!"

i do have a question for americans who think israel should not exist, that the jews can drop into the sea for all they care (yes, someone actually said this), because jews stole the land from the palestinians (again, bad grasp of history, but let's even assume for a moment that that's exactly true): are you finished packing? obviously you intend either to move out of the united states or jump into the sea, since this land we're on was stolen from the native americans, and that's actually unambiguously TRUE, unlike the narrative about the state of israel. when do you intend to be gone? you are leaving, right?

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genessa 8 Nov 1
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I can't say I don't hate, that would be a lie, but to hate a person or people based on race or nationality is ridiculous. At the same time, I am so tired of the middle east, if the whole area blew up tomorrow, I would not shed a tear. The I.Q. of the planet would jump up several points, and the planet would be a safer place.

i have very mixed feelings about the middle east and i don't often discuss them, but the only thing i want to say in THIS thread about the middle east is that what is happening there is not an excuse for antisemitism. it just isn't.

oh and the planet's iq cannot jump up until the white house stops being the orange house.

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@genessa Agreed.

You would not shed a tear for all of the innocent people, so many children, who don't give a damn about political discourse or the delusion of hate-filled people, many of whom have crawled out from under their slimy rocks with the rise of the moron in the white house??

@ReadyforaChange Nope. I have no respect for humanity as a whole. Evolution should have stopped before human beings. Like the joke says, all God did was fuck up a perfectly good monkey.

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Bravo!

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Being Jewish has nothing to do with Israel. I abhor the criminal Israeli government for building settlements on Arab land and killing people from Gaza. I am a cultural Jew and I run the Jewish by Culture Group here. Non-Jews have this problem of immediately connecting all Jews to Israel. They are wrong.

indeed. they also make the mistake of connecting bibi and his horrible government (don't we have one too, by the way? should all american die? rofl!) with the history of israel. the general consensus seems to be that the palestinians were living happily in palestine, right smack where israel is now, when the nasty bad jews came and killed them and chased the survivors away and stole the land. that is historically fallacious, and i am NOT talking about biblical history. but the only reason i even MENTION israel in my post is that people are using this as an excuse to hate jews! as you have pointed out, that's a problem!

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