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This question is more aimed at anti-theists, why do you take that sort of position of anti-theism?

danny1004 3 Jan 10
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Theism is irrational and deeply dangerous - these "gods" are set up as moral authorities, but they're all fake, going directly against morality in many places, setting precedents for doing some horrific things and encouraging people with fragile minds to copy.

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Simple answer. Because of the harm religion and religious people cause.

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The whole concept of a schizophrenic god who is both loving and mercilessly punitive leaves me cold. It relieves individuals of individual responsibility. If things go well, god gets the credit. If things go poorly, god gets a pass (it's his will). Religion also promotes divisiveness.

Someone once asked me... "If you don't read the bible, how do you know how to be?" And I said ... "I follow my own moral compass. My heart tells me what's right and wrong". I know too many self professed religious individuals who go to church every sunday and are nasty, vindictive and anything but kind.

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i don't know whether i am an anti-theist or not. i know i am an atheist, and i know i am fervently in favor of the separation of church and state. i am also for the separation of church and my face. so when religion gets into my state or my face, then i may seem more militant than otherwise. if i run into someone who says, when asked, that she is episcopalian, but who wouldn't dream of asking jesus whether or not she should accept a job, or insisting that jesus loves me even after learning that i am not only an atheist but a jewish one, then why should what she believes bother me? if she votes for trump because, even though he stands against everything she claims to believe, at least he will appoint judges, however corrupt, however evil -- rapists, even! -- who may overturn roe v wade, so that because SHE is against abortion, no woman who feels differently about it has a choice in the matter, then yes, she bothers me; she is interfering with other people's freedom.

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I've said this before. Religions are intolerant. Yet they believe we should be tolerant of their intolerance.

@TheoryNumber3 actually not all religions are intolerant. i have not heard of any intolerance connected with buddhism, taosim or shintoism -- and judaism, unlike christianity, does not include the concept that nonjews are inferior or not going to heaven or need to become jewish (in fact judaism forbids proselytizing). there isn't a jew in the world who will try to get a christian to stop eating pork, but boy oh boy do christians try to get jews to take jesus into their hearts!

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@genessa Well I was actually talking about the christian god... but yes you're correct for the most part. However I was raised in a Jewish home, and there was a strong message that Jews should marry only Jews. I did not. I married a lapsed catholic, the first son in an Italian family who got kicked out of the seminary.

@TheoryNumber3 yes, religious jews believe that jews should marry jews, partly out of fear of judaism's disappearing through assimilation. that is not intolerance per se; it's a sense, right or wrong, of self-preservation.

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@genessa I understand that, but still you can't argue that it is divisive and exclusive.

@TheoryNumber3 if by "it" you mean jews marrying only jews, yes i can argue that. the point of view from which that hails is that marrying outside of jewry is what is divisive, in a watering-down sense! exclusive, certainly, but not in the wider sense, not in the sense of only having jews for friends, or in the community. it's just preservation, whether you see it as preservation of the religion or of the culture.

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Religions are at the root of many of the world’s problems. They promote tribalism which leads people to believe that their group is the only one that matters; all other groups are inferior and must either be converted or eliminated. And the upper echelons, the priesthood, are led to believe they’re entitled to take advantage of their flock, i.e. the sheep.

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Two words . . . prove it.

THHA Level 7 Jan 10, 2019

If theists cannot prove what they assert, why should anyone have a laissez faire attitude toward their lies? It is giving madman our nuclear launch codes. They have them already . . . oh, well, who cares, let the blow the whole world to hell . . . . .

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For me, it's easy. ALL religion is evil.
While it would be lovely to just "live and let live", they are the ones who have
NEVER allowed that. Religion insists on forcing it's influence. Whether it's
politics, or public policy. Religion forces itself on the People, all over the world.

It's not enough for the religious of the world to believe whatever bullshit they wish. They feel that they have the "divine right" to force everyone around them to live in
accordance with their delusions. There are whole countries that have no issue with
maiming and murdering those who do not adhere to their religious laws.

In the US, religion influences how people raise their children, how their children are educated, how medical care is allowed to be accessed. It's ridiculous.

I don't want anyone's religious delusions interfering with my life.
That, in and of itself, is more than enough.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no other reasonable position to take than
that of an anti-theist.

Hear, Hear and Amen sister.

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Maybe because I find theism to not only be wrong, but I find it to be ignorant as well. Having a book that you believe in that claims "everyone believes in god" and a movie "God Is Dead" in which the atheist stopped believing because his father died and he blamed god. Both of these are ignorance in a big way. Then believers will tell you that the sunset is proof of god. I thought it was proof of a sunset. Just a few reasons I am anti-theist.

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As a lifelong athiest I have dealt with being told I am less and people who are religious are somehow morally correct than me. I feel they need to be stood up against. Religion is used to justify patriarchy, discriminatory laws and actions, genocides, exc.. There is sufficient evidence against The Christian story of resistance and I thi think people who see that should stand up for their rights and those of others not to be limited and victimized in its name. Same with other religions elsewhere. The major religions only have so much power because of sustained force coercion and murder throughout history.

What if people were killing people and saying who was allowed to have sex because of an obviously fiction book about fairies? It would be wrong. Being against this is the the morally correct path.

MsAl Level 8 Jan 10, 2019
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