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Lest we forget the Cold War

Those of us who lived through the Cold War remember what it was like to wake up every day to the threat of nuclear destruction and MADD (mutually assured destruction).

In the 60's we had air raid siren drills once a month, in the middle of the country no less. We remember the anxiety around the Bay of Pigs and the Russian missles stationed so near our doorstep.We remember the duck and cover drills as children, no matter how ridiculous they seem now. We remember the pictures of the tanks rolling into the Eastern European capitals as the Soviet threat expanded. All these things are part and parcel to Baby Boomers mind set.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the new generations have not had to live under the spectre of mutually assured annihilation (even if it were overblown by politicians at the time). These new generations have not had to feel the oppressive weight of an enemy that posed an intrinsic threat of complete human destruction.

Yes, you had 9/11, but it was a one time event that would not destroy an entire nation. Al Queda was never an intrinsic threat for the elimination our our entire nation. It is an important threat to address and ameliorate, but does not form a daily worry in the majority of our lives.

My point: Trump's exit from the IMF is problematical. The thought for Baby Boomers of a return to another arms race akin to the Cold War is not acceptable. Nuclear proliferation is not joke. The reality of living once again under that spectre of planet level destruction I suspect will not find a lot of support from my generation. At least I would hope not.

Our present Commander in Chief is not intellectually prepared for this type of challenge. He neither reads his intelligence briefs, nor listens to his advisors. He demonstrated during his candidacy that he has no concept of what a nuclear weapon is, or what its potential can be. An arms race as this juncture, with this president is even more perilous than what we Baby Boomers faced.

By t1nick8
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Our present CinC is not intellectually prepared for a stiff game of Risk.

An opposing head of state flatters him, gives a convincing imitation of sincerity and a firm handshake, and Trump "knows what's in his soul". A year later and we have Russia violating the INF treaty because Putin knows Trump won't call him out on it.

Paul4747 Level 7 Feb 6, 2019
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He is folding, knowingly or less likely, unknowingly, right into Putin’s agenda. By dropping out of the Iran deal, he has taken any incentive they had to not develop nukes away. By dropping out of the IMF he has put not only the US, but much more so Europe at great risk. Russia now has no need to even try and hide their nuclear missle program. They have little incentive to stop incursions into neighboring countries nor their expansion and alliances with the worst countries in the Middle East. Iran and Syria will be more than happy to align with Russia while we are losing allies other than Israel thanks to Cheeto’s ham handed foreign policy. Not sure we can survive another two years of his reign.

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Trump is driving us back to cold war as fast as he can and we are letting him. His actions call for him to be removed from office now before more damage can be done Republicans please wake up and help us.

Marine Level 8 Feb 5, 2019
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The Oligarchs existed before the fall of Soviet Communism, the new world merely allowed them to become open about it and to never fear being shot by the state. Today they just have to bribe their way out of it.
If managed properly, Russia would become the premiere superpower and economy. But as always the elite farm the proletariat like mushroom - keep them in the dark and feed them shit.
Putin's Russia is currently in a precarious state. What it needs is another Cold War to boost their failing economy. And someone just stupid enough to be easily made to think they doing the right thing. And Trump is more than stupid enough for that role.
Russia will need to borrow money to rebuild its Nuclear arsenal so that the world remains at peace. Now there is threat of war, that will happen. As they re-arm. The USA will need to do the same. Both arms dealers will make money and the world can tremble for a few decades just in case it gets out of hand.
Putin can play his hand that Trump won't live long enough or remain in power to deploy his new toys
and whoever follows him will be stuck on course. This buys Russia time, and like chess they are in it for the long game.

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I agree with you about Trump and the threat of future cold war strife. As for the old one, I remember being made aware of it in school when we had "drop" drills and the regular siren tests on Friday mornings, but I never felt a day-by-day threat such as you described. I guess I knew it in the back of my mind, but it wasn't something I consciously thought of very often.

A lot of research was done later in the Cold War years about the impact of the threat took on the emotional toll was taking on children growing up. There appeared to be a underlying feeling of pessimism in the prospects for the future in many subjects. Leading to elevated depression in some adolescents. The unconscious weight of the glum prospects of the future because of the MADD outcome seemed to be more pervasive than one would think.

Like you, I don't remember walking around fearful and fretting about the future. But I do remember feeling anxious when conflict involving nuclear events between the US and USSR appeared on the daily news.

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I was a back-room 'Cold-Warrior' towards the end of the Cold War era. I knew full well that if shit hit the fan, my call up papers were in the office safe. Next stop BAOR (British Army of the Rhine) and short haircut and some camouflaged clothes followed by a Soviet PoW camp if I'm lucky! If I stayed where I was, I'd be turned into a black shadow on the floor as the Rooskies nuked where I worked.
To be serious, once the INF agreement is out of the way, then we could descend into a real shooting war as future tempers become frayed leading to someone doing something stupid. Perhaps we should also follow the power and money. Who stands to benefit from this? Was Trump just doing his Russian masters bidding? Could Trump have simply been out-manoeuvred by the far more skilled Russians, causing him the pull out thus, making the USA the bad guys?
What this can do, is give Putin an excuse to carry out power grabs along his border states by political intervention and then direct invasion once a destabilisation of the EU has happened following Brexit.

Agree with all you stated. Somebody needs to kick all those conservatives millennials and genX asses who claim this is just a Russia scare hoax. Lets see how they pick up the pieces afterward.

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@t1nick Just as long I'm not one of those pieces! I live a few hundred metres from a NATO early warning station!

@Sofabeast i hear you.

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The cold war never ended, we just thought it was over, we've been under attack the entire time.
For the same reason that Confederate flags keep flying, just because the Soviet Union fell apart there's no reason to believe that the Russian agenda has changed one iota.

Novelty Level 8 Feb 2, 2019

I've been thinking and saying that to friends for a long time. It just took a hiatus from the front pages and moved to cyberspace.

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Umm... Confederate flags keep flying because of racists and idiots. Let's not confuse the issue.

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The big companies that make weapons will prosper.

As always. Eisenhower's miltary-industrial complex. We prosper on a war economy, as we lead the world in weapons manufacturing.

I rather see us improving the infrastructure @t1nick

@nicknotes ????? Please clarify and provide evidence.

What evidence? I was stating an opinion. @t1nick

@nicknotes. Oh, like FOX and fiends. You still haven't clarified how infrastructure is improved.

Like building new bridges, new highways, new public buildings....improving the country. @t1nick

@nicknotes with all due respect, how does the new nuclear situation suggest that any money will be diverted to infrastructure? It might. but I don't really see it? Roads and bridges to drive the ICB's over safely?

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It looks like Trump and Putin are determined to start a new cold war

Moravian Level 7 Feb 2, 2019

Unfotunately I agree. But we are at the disadvantage. Putin is the chess master, and Trump can't even figure out checkers.

@t1nick or even snap for that matter.

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