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Much to admire about Mohammed Ali. Refused to go to Vietnam.

ToolGuy 9 Feb 10
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I have so much more admiration of Ali refusing to go in the military especially after being promised an easy ride as a promoter. He, also, could have gone to Europe and continued to fight for millions. And I'm a vet. Much more respect for those who stood on their moral choices than the chickenhawks who hid, like the trumpsterfire, et al.

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I loved Ali. He had his faults, especially given how viciously and shamefully he used racial tropes to belittle Philly's Smokin' Joe Frazier for example. But on the whole he was a beautiful guy with a big heart and the fastest hands of any heavyweight that ever lived. He lived with the courage of his convictions against all consequences, which is admirable.

Apparently the whole dislike of Joe Frazier was an act. During his ban and when a return was possible, but still a ways off, he met privately with Joe Frazier about the possibility of making a fight between them and Frazier offered to help him out financially. Whether this true or not I don't know but Ali was the best for a variety of reasons 🙂

@ipdg77 My understanding is that the entire thing started as a way to hype the fights, but Ali took it a bit too far. Joe Frazier resented Ali characterizing him as an ape, going so far as to bring a toy gorilla to a press conference and smacking it around, and he remained bitter until the day he died. It was the one blind spot in Ali's otherwise stellar life.

@zeuser Perhaps he did take it too far. But after the Thriller in Manila there had to be genuine mutual respect...surely?

@ipdg77 Here's a good summary:

[chicagotribune.com]

An excerpt:
"Frazier was the worst of Ali's bad guys, but Ali was the real villain. In three memorable fights, Ali callously referred to Frazier in appalling racial terms — specifically as a "gorilla" and an "Uncle Tom" — while portraying himself as the hero of the oppressed African-American. In Ali's narrative, Frazier was simply a tool of white America."

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You're right!

Some of his reasons and reasonable to me:
Viet Cong never called him 'nigger"
Viet Cong never sicked dogs on him or turned fire hoses on him.

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Yes he, as Cassius Clay I first remember as an Olympics boxer. He had a wonderful grin and a sense of humor cajoling with Howard Cosell.

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