agree completely, or in the case of my mother. "you believe what you want, I will believe what is right", pious twit.

Let’s agree to disagree about agreeing to disagree and just come to terms with the idea that your opinion is not supported by any relevant facts. I make new friends all the time with that one!

Oh yeah,I am not agreeing with nonsense! Someone who will not consider changing is stagnant.

I kind of agree with you and yet that is what we are all trying to escape from as well. That usually is a good indicator of someone I don’t care to discuss anything with in the future.

Yeah, I was just bitching about this the other day.

"Let's agree to disagree" on a factual matter is tantamount to saying, "I value my ego more than the truth. I don't want to know I'm wrong."

Calling something an opinion when it's a matter of fact rather than preference or style is just being wrong, twice.

For me, agreeing to disagree isn't about whose right or wrong. Some people won't stop trying to prove themselves right even when wrong. Some can't handle a difference of opinion. I can't handle arguing or discussing things with a brick wall.

That's fine for opinions, but like you said, facts are facts. Some people think that what they are spouting are facts though when they probably aren't. We are probably all guilty of it sometimes. No matter how rarely.

"You just like to argue." Is another. That always is my signal that I am dealing with a dullard.

I said it to my neighbor when he was talking about some conspiracy. You'd think I had kicked his dog?

It seemed the most civil way to make him just stop.

We live in a society where we can't even agree any more what the facts are. Add to that the fact that people wrap their sense of personal identity around belief systems such as religion and political affiliation and you end up with a situation in which someone would have to overcome first their doubt in YOUR facts being correct and second their fear of what accepting being wrong would say about them. That's a tall order for many, at least to do all at one time. You expect a lot.

Actually, I agree with you that that statement "Let's agree to disagree" is not at all satisfying; rather like them saying they are no longer even going to try to respond to the points you've made. But it is what it is. No every argument or disagreement can be simplified down to one person being wrong and the other right. Sometimes both are wrong; sometimes each has elements that are right but neither is entirely right, and sometimes (OFTEN) the question at hand is a matter of values and priorities and NOT reducible to simply declaring factual "Truth."

The thing about that position is that your assumption is that it is their job to agree with you because you are always right. I had to give up that presumption because, frankly, the more convinced I am the more wrong I tend to be. Too many times I have had to eat crow and admit that yes, they are right. So I am a tad more generous with my understanding than I used to be when I knew so much more than I know now.

The mind is a terrible thing!

Yeah I hate that.