I got into a discussion with my aunt about pro life vs pro choice. To make a long story short it's so hard to get a pro lifer to see things outside of their religious beliefs. I find it hard to get her to understand that by being pro life and picking to be that based on religion intern is forcing her religion upon others and it's just wrong. Have your opinion, just done take away my choice to make decisions for my body and life. I'm just upset. She's my family and I just hate her views. I couldn't believe she said liberals think their opinion is the only one. I feel the opposite. Per her religious belief for which she picks her political representatives, I think shows she's imposing her opinion on me in a manor in which seems she believes to be the only right one by choosing her candidates based on religious values. Does that make sense?
There are people that are pro-life and are not religious. I know that many religious people cite their religion in their argument, but many arguments boil down to a respect for life and not supporting murder - which can stand alone as a reasonable argument.
BTW - it's not your body that you are killing, so there's that.
Finally - I would like to point out than many comments here stated that pro-lifers don't care about the child once it's born (food, shelter, etc). Maybe yes, maybe no - but if you support murder, then you don't care about that stuff either - so please don't use that hypocritical argument either.
The Satanic Temple has filed a Federal lawsuit against Missouri, saying that their waiting period and "informed consent" requirements violated one of their member's religious tenets, of which the pertinent belief is this: "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone." This tenet makes them solidly pro-choice.
I don't know what the outcome will be, but to challenge the abortion restrictions on religious grounds is a new tactic, one which will confound and consternate the Christians and their "religious freedom restoration" laws. If one religion can safely ignore one law on religious grounds, another religion should be able to ignore this law on its religious ground.
(For the record, The Satanic Temple does not worship Satan, or believe in anything supernatural.)
I have often explained to people that just because I am pro choice, that does not necessarily mean I am pro abortion....it means I feel I don’t have the right to tell a woman or a couple with to do with her body.
The religious right has a hard time understanding that this country is not a Christian country, and that should not be governed as such.
If your beliefs prohibit abortion....then that is your choice and your right to not have one. But that doesn’t mean every woman holds to those religious beliefs.
I gave up on that group a long time ago... They are the most devout Lemmings on the planet... Sad to say but do yourself a favor and learn to Love your own view and feelings without needing anyone else to be ok with your feelings, and Life will get infinitely better the sooner you do! ? ? ?
I don't see hardly anyone fostering or adopting.... Women have lots of reasons for not wanting to have a kid... How about the world is dying, cost of living, the entrapment of a child (loss of meaningful employment), the debt cycle. I can go on and on ... A woman's body is her choice. They are so wrong. This fight makes my blood boil.
There is a difference in opinion on when life begins and when it is considered murder to kill something. Even if two people agree on that point there is still the different opinion on the murder/non-murder weighed against a persons right to their bodies. No amount of debate will change most people’s mind either way.
I also don’t think the way a person votes means forcing their beliefs on someone. If you do think so then that principle applies to all voters.
Tell her Mayor Pete would be right up her Christian alley. Well, except that whole "he's gay" thing.
How about really rocking her boat? Give her the Biblical scriptures that not only support abortion, it's demanded.
Abortion Biblical Style
Numbers 5:11-31 New International Version (NIV)
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the Lord said to Moses,
12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him
13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),
14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord.
17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—
21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.
22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
Most "pro-lifers" are also pro-death penalty, so that makes them hypocrites.
They are also not really pro-life, they're just pro-birth. They really don't care what happens to children after they're born. They generally don't support assistance for families, or food stamps, or better education, etc.
Dealing with them is very frustrating.
Pro-lifers truly think it’s murder to abort a fetus. They believe it’s fully human. Unfortunately there’s no medical consensus as to when the fetus becomes a viable human being, none that I know of anyway. I’d say maybe when the brain really develops, personally.