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I got into a discussion with my aunt about pro life vs pro choice. To make a long story short it's so hard to get a pro lifer to see things outside of their religious beliefs. I find it hard to get her to understand that by being pro life and picking to be that based on religion intern is forcing her religion upon others and it's just wrong. Have your opinion, just done take away my choice to make decisions for my body and life. I'm just upset. She's my family and I just hate her views. I couldn't believe she said liberals think their opinion is the only one. I feel the opposite. Per her religious belief for which she picks her political representatives, I think shows she's imposing her opinion on me in a manor in which seems she believes to be the only right one by choosing her candidates based on religious values. Does that make sense?

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Chooseluv Level 5 Apr 17, 2019
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Chooseluv Level 5 Apr 17, 2019
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Did you hear that guys @jondspen is volunteering to take all the unwanted children and raise them 👏👏👏what a generous man!!!

Chooseluv Level 5 Apr 16, 2019

I am a generous man, was an adopted child, as well as a single father - so definitely have "a dog in the fight". But no, I don't feel the need to be responsible for another person's immaturity and irresponsible actions. I think each person should be responsible for their own actions.

While I don't agree with the religious arguments - this is a pretty weak and desperate argument to take. Here's a little reading that will explain why [christiananswers.net] Since you have to run off up here and can't engage me directly in civil and logic discourse...thought I would try and bring a little debating 101 education to you.

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@jondspen sweetheart did anyone mention this is agnostic.com you are really gonna quote religious websites to "educate" me 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you must have a disability or something. Now I feel bad for you. Maybe you should talk to your doctor more about ways to handle reproductive health... ❤️❤️

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Chooseluv Level 5 Apr 15, 2019

Safe for whom? Sure as shit ain't too safe for the kid!

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one problem is, they're not opposites. I'm pro choice but anti abortion.

Biptu Level 5 Apr 14, 2019

So long as you don't choose for someone, I have no problem with that.

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There are people that are pro-life and are not religious. I know that many religious people cite their religion in their argument, but many arguments boil down to a respect for life and not supporting murder - which can stand alone as a reasonable argument.

BTW - it's not your body that you are killing, so there's that.

Finally - I would like to point out than many comments here stated that pro-lifers don't care about the child once it's born (food, shelter, etc). Maybe yes, maybe no - but if you support murder, then you don't care about that stuff either - so please don't use that hypocritical argument either.

jondspen Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

If you use the term murder here you disqualify yourself from the debate. A point that has been made to you many many times before

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"It's not your body that you are killing, so there's that."

But it is her body that you are forcing to give birth, thereby reducing her from a person to a mere life-support system for a fetus.

Whence derives this power to force people to use their bodies as you see fit? Is this not the definition of slavery?

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@OwlInASack Killing a pregnant woman results in two murder charges.

@TheInterlooper ok - but should it? The poster in question routinely turns up to any abortion debate and throws out this stuff with no intention of trying to understand that possibly we have also considered the murder point and come to different conclusions.

That he uses the term ‘whore’ below for the women involved might help you understand his perspective and why robust reaction to his childishness won’t be restricted to just me.

@OwlInASack I'm not sure. I'm just pointing out that killing an unborn fetus is considered murder in certain circumstances.

I don't believe his lack of tact should disqualify him from the debate. It is a contentious topic. I can understand having an emotional outburst.

@TheInterlooper it’s not a lack of tact: it’s the inability to appreciate any other view than your own and therefore to just get abusive. Simple really.

Calling women who have sex and get pregnant unintentionally ‘whores’ is more than a lack of tact. As this has been pointed out to him on many occasions I won’t be alone in being past his childishness

@OwlInASack I will not join your crusade for moral superiority. Have a "like" hopefully the dopamine rush you get from it fills the void in your life.

@TheInterlooper I see. You’ve studied at the same stable as the OP and just get abusive too

Congratulations there.

@OwlInASack Poor guy. Why is everyone so abusive toward you?

@TheInterlooper oh - it’s not everyone. Just the right wingers when they run out of actual points to make

And surely you can answer the question better than me?

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@OwlInASack Your pious attitude is grating. Are you sure you wouldn't be more comfortable at church? They also like to bloviate about how righteous they are.

@TheInterlooper my word - as if to demonstrate my point to the deepest possible extent. Do keep posting...

That mask slipped a little eh?

@OwlInASack Maybe because every comment you make is an attempt to achieve moral or intellectual superiority? It distracts from people who actually want to debate the issue at hand.

@TheInterlooper is it? Well I don’t think so, so we may have to disagree there. After all if it were true it wouldn’t be just the right wing who stop posting stuff relevant to the discussion and just descend into personal abuse.

But good luck with that line yourself. Trust it serves you well. You are after all backing someone here who calls women who have sex and unintentional pregnancy ‘whores’.

Well fair enough...

@OwlInASack Mask? Project much? The irony! Everyone knows I'm an asshole. I make no bones about it. You're the one with a crusade to convince people of your righteousness. What kind of skeletons are in your closet?

@TheInterlooper for real?

I’ve absolutely no idea who you are. I can’t imagine being ok with being an asshole

And I have no crusade about my righteousness. I give a fairly big shit about some issues and will wade in robustly.

The big skeleton in my closet is my faith which I had through to age 30+. That was pretty bad. Otherwise none I can think of. Weird comment

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@OwlInASack On second thought, maybe I am more of a dick than an asshole?

@OwlInASack You continually white knight, and throw out disparaging remarks about a persons humanity and without ever making a point. I would like to hear how you equate my comments of 'murderer' as disqualifying myself from the debate - other than you just don't like what I have to say. It is a human life that is being killed, just because the woman can't take precautions to avoid a pregnancy, and does so only b/c it isn't convenient for her life plans at the moment. There are exceptions to this situation, but the majority of abortions today fall in this category - and it is these sluts irresponsibility that I take issue with.

@TheInterlooper That video is fucking hilarious! LMAO. TY! I would like to state that I never FORCED her to have sex or get pregnant in the first place. Much as men are expected to pay child support for children, I don't see it unreasonable for her to carry a child which is a complete and separate human life, or better yet, have some responsibility and take reasonable actions to NOT become pregnant in the first place. After all, like the argument used against men, "You knew what you were doing and what could happen - so take responsibility"! This of course would preclude rape conceptions, and actual abortions that would endanger her life (which is only 1% of all abortions in the US).

@jondspen

You continually white knight

A phrase straight out of the MRA handbook. You know a child can see massive holes in your argument and just repeating the same old stuff doesn’t make it more true. Getting abusive right up front is indicative of an inability to think about others points.

Here’s something: many here will have learned to be ashamed of having believed the simple things you believe and the find that it was more complex than that and a lot less black and white

Don’t suppose that will persuade you but it’s worth a try.

There is as much point discussing with you and your abuse as there is with any fundamentalist.

Good luck with it. As with the others on here into that kind of argument I do hope it serves you well or something

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@OwlInASack So what are my massive holes? Why don't you actually make a point, instead of just spouting off "You lose, I win" type arguments? You always insult people on their POV when you don't agree with them, call them simplistic, childish, immoral, etc, but you never actually give an argument on WHY they are wrong. You never point to any data, facts, or research. You just say they are wrong b/c they are wrong - and I am right b/c I am a better person than you.

Why can't the woman take precautions to avoid an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy? Diaphragms or other IUD, condoms, spermicide, birth control pills - are all viable options for a reasonable and responsible person to incorporate before hand, instead of using abortion (aka murder in my opinion) as the go to birth control measure, because oopsie - she can't be responsible for her actions before hand and take a little precaution? 4 million plus abortions every year is NOT due to faulty condoms or birth control pills or spermicide that didn't work properly. 4 million abortions per year are also not a product of medical emergencies to save the woman's life, or from rape victims that became pregnant - situation that I can understand the logic for the abortion argument. If abortions were severely limited tomorrow, women that don't want kids would not become celibate, they would take the above proposed measure to ensure they didn't become pregnant - aka act a little more responsible and aware of the consequences of their actions.

@jondspen nope. You’re an aggressively rude abuser. Try someone else. I’ve explained why you’re not getting engagement from me.

Funny a bunch of men arguing about how a woman should deal with her life and choices. It's not a baby it's abunch of cells, and you can blame the woman all you want but it can be argued the man should have wrapped it. It's only up to the women for now. Male birth control is coming I am so curious to see how this argument is going to change once men have to take accountability. And your argument about men leaving is crap, I still see tons of single moms I am one myself, full-time.

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@OwlInASack yet you still engage with personal attacks and no logic or arguments. I read through my prior posts down to your last comment and NO WHERE in it did I say anything insulting to you - yet you still come back with the same insults against me, saying I'm insulting. Its really quite sad.

@Chooseluv First, it's not just her life and her choices she is making a decision on - and that is the whole crux of the problem. To think an unplanned pregnancy and decision about abortion only affect the women, is simple minded, selfish, and just plain ignorant/stupid.

I agree the man should wrap it. Why the hell in todays F ed up family court system would a man want to be financially fleeced for 18 years? I don't have a problem with men not being stupid and taking self preservation measures to avoid being tied to one of today's pathetic excuse for western feminist women. I also feel that if it's my future, my health, and my life that is going to be adversely affected by irresponsible actions - I shouldn't be spouting feminism equality while at the same time making stupid and irresponsible decisions that I can easily avoid - and do so while blaming someone else they didn't protect me from my own dumb ass.

And guess what - I was a single dad - full time. Not only did I have to deal with all the same struggles as you endured, but I had to deal with a sexist family court system and society that doesn't hold women to nearly the same child support standards as men, nor offer any emotional support to men struggling. I would also ask, how many of your single moms get child support? How many of your single moms initiated the divorce if they were married? B/c statistically, no, men can't and don't just "walk away" without any responsibility. Women are granted custody 80%+ of the time based on sexist views, and initiate 65+% of all divorces in the US. They are granted WAY more often custody, and WAY more often are awarded judgement for support compared to single fathers. And while this little tangent you want to bring into the discussion is interesting, it still doesn't change the facts. If a woman's body is her own, and she should be allowed to make decisions about it - then why the hell isn't it reasonable she at least be forced to take reasonable precautions? You have to wear a damn helmet when riding a motorcycle in most states, and you have to wear a damn seat belt in every state when driving a car. IMHO getting knocked up is a far worse situation to be irresponsible about. At least on a bike or in a car, the person you kill without self safety is just yourself!

52.3% of custodial single mothers were awarded child support in 2013
31.4% of custodial single fathers were awarded child support during the same year
[verywellfamily.com]

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@jondspen you call women whores. That’ll do it. You been aggressive and rude to me plenty in the past: it’s your MO - along with pretty much every other right winger on this board. That’s what you do.

So nope

@OwlInASack No...I called a woman who acts like a whore a whore. I also call people who act like idiots - idiots.

@jondspen that’s lovely for you. Good luck with that approach in life

@OwlInASack Well thank you - been working pretty good for me thus far. Pisses lots of thin skinned whiny bitches off, but those people I don't have much use for anyway, since they are usually the one's that deep deep deep down know they are a whore or an idiot, or both.

@jondspen excellent. Keep going with it then.

thin skinned whiny bitches

whore

idiot

Nice work.

Insulting the world around you generally does work out well. Look at how far that’s got your president after all. And like you he is completely inoculated from facts and detail as a result.

@OwlInASack Wow - you make such uneducated and unfounded assumption at every turn. Never voted for him, don't support ANY politicians, and since you're an American citizen, he is your president too. Not sure if you're aware how that works. So if insulting the world around you doesn't work, why is that your #1 go to on here all the time?

BTW - ty for the continual comments. You are greatly helping my point level!

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@jondspen hmmm.. there is more than one serious inaccuracy you need to check there. And I’m not talking about the fallacy of who you voted for indicating your political persuasion. No empathy, hate all the things you hate: Conservative.

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The Satanic Temple has filed a Federal lawsuit against Missouri, saying that their waiting period and "informed consent" requirements violated one of their member's religious tenets, of which the pertinent belief is this: "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone." This tenet makes them solidly pro-choice.

I don't know what the outcome will be, but to challenge the abortion restrictions on religious grounds is a new tactic, one which will confound and consternate the Christians and their "religious freedom restoration" laws. If one religion can safely ignore one law on religious grounds, another religion should be able to ignore this law on its religious ground.

(For the record, The Satanic Temple does not worship Satan, or believe in anything supernatural.)

Elganned Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

I am loving that the Satanic Temple is doing this. No other "church" is willing to stand up for women's rights.

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I have often explained to people that just because I am pro choice, that does not necessarily mean I am pro abortion....it means I feel I don’t have the right to tell a woman or a couple with to do with her body.

The religious right has a hard time understanding that this country is not a Christian country, and that should not be governed as such.

If your beliefs prohibit abortion....then that is your choice and your right to not have one. But that doesn’t mean every woman holds to those religious beliefs.

Matty315 Level 4 Apr 14, 2019
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I gave up on that group a long time ago... They are the most devout Lemmings on the planet... Sad to say but do yourself a favor and learn to Love your own view and feelings without needing anyone else to be ok with your feelings, and Life will get infinitely better the sooner you do! ? ? ?

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I don't see hardly anyone fostering or adopting.... Women have lots of reasons for not wanting to have a kid... How about the world is dying, cost of living, the entrapment of a child (loss of meaningful employment), the debt cycle. I can go on and on ... A woman's body is her choice. They are so wrong. This fight makes my blood boil.

Chooseluv Level 5 Apr 14, 2019

Except the woman also has a choice to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or just good ol' fashioned blow/hand jobs. Why doesn't she exercise her choice there, before getting pregnant? That would require some responsibility. Sure, when you set up a system for women to have no forethought, and use murder as a means for some selfish whore to continue acting irresponsibly, just b/c it's not 'convenient' for her at this time in her life, you are going to see the numbers skewed. [adoptionnetwork.com] BTW - It's not her body she is murdering, so there is that.

@jondspen Wow. So convenient for you to mention blow jobs in this scenario. I mean...wow!
Guess what? It's not some fucking party where women are all excited about "getting themselves pregnant" and then having some good time abortion party. What kind of a moron are you?
Men get women pregnant. Seed grows product. Seed. Out of balls. Regulate balls. Don't like that? Shut the hell up about what a woman must do to get by in this world.

@jondspen I hope more men like sucking cunt then putting their dick in it. Also men can get condoms and use those MFers too. It must only be about men and thier pleasure..... Jon fuck you!

@jondspen sometimes those things don't work and the woman is ultimately responsible. Men can walk away. I got pregnant with my first child on the pill. I happened to be in a decent place to have a baby even though I was young so I went through with it but what happens when it's a woman without the means to care for a baby. Anyobe who says abortion is birth control doesn't actually think about what it is to have an abortion. There's the cost of course and in Canada they don't knock you out, your awake for all these medical people to remove something you never wanted from you private body. It's also stressful physically

@jondspen again if you use terms like ‘murder’ and ‘selfish whore’ in this discussion you have just excluded yourself from any right to discuss with adults or be taken seriously.

@Freespirit64 So women are complete innocent in getting pregnant. All abortions are conducted by women who were raped - b/c obviously these strong willed women of today can't have a modicum of responsibility to take measures to prevent such things from happening, which you proved by your comment "Men get women pregnant." - like she is completely innocent and a passive participant in the pregnancy. And leftist moron that spout this shit wonder why women are sometimes not respected?!? Hint hint - it's because of modern feminist attitudes like your's where you want all the benefits, but none of the responsibilities. And yes, oral sex for the man AND women has NEVER resulted in a pregnancy, so blow jobs and eating her out are options to deal with sexual needs while still avoiding pregnancy. Maybe you should take some freshman HS sex ed class?

@Allikat You're right - a man should have a condom on him. No need to get saddled with a stupid cunt and pay child support to a bitch and her bastard for 18 years. But since women of today are equal to men, no reason she can't keep some on hand also, or be on the pill, or have spermacide - all the things I mentioned above. The only reason I can see her not is b/c she is too much a party slut to have some foresight and take steps to prevent a pregnancy, or is looking to get pregnant b/c she rode the cock carousel for the last 10-20 years, and now can't find a decent man that wants anything to do with her, so she does what she has too to have a kid and then sucker a man to support it for the next 18 years. The second scenario is the least likely - while the first is atypical of todays modern women who again - wants all the benefits of equality, with none of the responsibilities.

@Chooseluv You're right, sometimes birth control, condoms, and spermicide are not effective, but statistically that is not the issue. It's not that over 4 million per year birth control systems are failures, it's that women don't take the precautions b/c for around $400, they can kill their child while being irresponsible. I don't have a problem with abortions, I have a problem with women using abortions as birth control, just because they can't take responsible measures to avoid pregnancy in the first place, typically b/c it isn't convenient for their 'life plans" at the moment. And BTW - no men CAN NOT walk away. Men are held financially responsible for 18 years based on a decision made solely by the women to keep a child. Men are also denied the joy of fatherhood based solely on the decision of a woman to kill his son/daughter. But to say men can 'walk away' is just flat out wrong in any instance. Only when she has no idea of his name or identity, will the father not be forced to pay child support - and thus be able to "walk away" as you put it. I am well aware of the physical situation of a pregnancy - all I am saying is that if men are to be held responsible for a child the mother births, women should be held equally responsible to try and avoid a pregnancy which she has no intention to birth. I don't see why that is such an unreasonable expectation.

@OwlInASack LOL - typical self appointed judge and juror with your virtue signaling crap. I don't know why you read or respond to anything I have to say, since you obviously have invalidated my opinion and POV based on my perspective. I mean if my POV is truly moot and irrelevant, then why do you constantly feel the need to state it is moot and irrelevant? Every conversation we have had, you never make a vaild or reasonable point - just more leftist SJW rhetoric condemning everything and anything with nothing more than emotional tirades and character attacks. I typically ignore your brand of stupidity, but figured since I was replying to everyone else - I would address your ignorant ramblings.

@jondspen a bigger straw man I’ve yet to see and there are plenty being posted in this site at the moment

Those who indulge in them show - clearly - that they can't or won’t engage in the real discussion. So they make stuff up to fight instead. That’s why I say this is childish: the abuse and straw men are just childish.

@OwlInASack Blah blah blah - again, you just throw out personal assaults and insults w/o any real substance or an argument. Literally everything you just said is exactly what you do constantly, and like most people on the left, you twist your pathetic tactics and put them on others.

So here's a direct discussion for you - how is it me using a POV and certain words exclude my opinion on abortion as being valid, but you who support literally tearing a human body apart limb from limb in the womb grants you moral superiority to talk about the subject? I'm really curious how that 'moral metric' works.

@jondspen you excused yourself from this discussion early doors. Calling all abortion murder and women with involuntary pregnancy ‘whores’ - that’s game over for any discussion. I’m not engaging. And we know what kind of person you are. You can try to find someone who wants to debate your putrid hate if you like but I think we both know how that’s going down

@OwlInASack blah blah blah - just more self-righteous gibberish from you. So if you're not engaging - then why do you continue to engage?

@jondspen I’m going to continue to point out that abuse disqualified you from rational debate. Its what I do. And you are always abusive.

@OwlInASack "I’m going to continue to point out that abuse disqualified you from rational debate." Then you should have STFU a very very LONG time ago!

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Ask her if she's for birth control and sex education because if we had a lot more of both there wouldn't be any need for abortions as opposed to having them outlawed yet still performed in back alleys and basements like they used to be.

Lutherzme Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

There would still be a call for abortions, it would just be fewer. There are always going to be health and circumstances.

@CommonHuman Yes but we're dealing with Christians here...they confuse easily. Kidding, you are absolutely correct which highlights the fact that abortion is an actual medical procedure, and many times a life saving one for the mother at that.

@Lutherzme "many times a life saving one for the mother at that" - that is complete and utter bullshit. [abortionfacts.com]

@jondspen Your shitty source: "Selected content reprinted with permission from John C. Willke M.D., Barbara H. Willke R.N., John Jefferson Davis Ph.D., David C. Reardon Ph.D., Abort73.com, Eternal Perspective Ministries, Abolish Human Abortion, Life Issues Institute, BlackGenocide.org, Heritage House '76, Inc. & The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform."

@jondspen if you link to anti-science propaganda like that website yet again you exclude yourself from the adult conversation.

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There is a difference in opinion on when life begins and when it is considered murder to kill something. Even if two people agree on that point there is still the different opinion on the murder/non-murder weighed against a persons right to their bodies. No amount of debate will change most people’s mind either way.

I also don’t think the way a person votes means forcing their beliefs on someone. If you do think so then that principle applies to all voters.

The stance, "I will vote to take away your bodily autonomy, but if it becomes law, I didn't force it on you", makes no sense. It is an abdication of personal responsibility.

@Roadster I would agree in situations where specific issues are being voted on, but less so in situations where a candidate is being voted on.

I understand the point but drawing a line at any point while the foetus is in utero and saying now it is human and inviolate, brings enourmous philosophical problems which are never addressed by the anti-choice, ‘control their uterus’ brigade.

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@indirect76 And yet your vote helped put the policy in place. Just because a decision is not easy or clean, doesn't absolve the individual from the impacts of making it. Sometimes, we are in hard places and have to make hard decisions, we are still responsibile for the outcomes of those decisions. If we pretend we are not, we have no reason to try to correct for the bad outcomes.

@Roadster It’s probably best to note vote at all then.

@indirect76 That is also a decision that has consequences. I think we would function better as a society, if we all acknowledged the decisions we make, with both their good and bad outcomes. It is okay to say decided A and B was the bad side effect. I value A over B, but I still have some responsibility to make B better. Unfortunately, most people pretend that their actions don't have side affects and ignore them.

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Very frustrating. Hard to haggle with their god. Try to make her a deal... she supports policies which are humane and assist the living, and you can meet her half way by supporting the unborn starting at X week in the pregnancy.

KevinMR Level 6 Apr 14, 2019
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Tell her Mayor Pete would be right up her Christian alley. Well, except that whole "he's gay" thing.

How about really rocking her boat? Give her the Biblical scriptures that not only support abortion, it's demanded.

Abortion Biblical Style
Numbers 5:11-31 New International Version (NIV)
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the Lord said to Moses,
12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him
13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),
14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord.
17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—
21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.
22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

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Maybe Joseph should have done that to Mary.

Nothing like Bible Facts to really annoy the Believers! 😜😉😊

I might steal that for my next argument against religious pro-lifers...

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Most "pro-lifers" are also pro-death penalty, so that makes them hypocrites.
They are also not really pro-life, they're just pro-birth. They really don't care what happens to children after they're born. They generally don't support assistance for families, or food stamps, or better education, etc.
Dealing with them is very frustrating.

KKGator Level 9 Apr 14, 2019

to be fair there is a huge difference between killing a criminal than a fetus. Its hard to stand for pro choice with dumb arguments. Just like the whole Jerking off is killing potential life

@Biptu A fetus has no intrinsic value. Essentially, it's just a parasite.
I have no issue with abortion on demand, at any point in the pregnancy.
The woman who is already here is more important than any fetus will ever be.

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Pro-lifers truly think it’s murder to abort a fetus. They believe it’s fully human. Unfortunately there’s no medical consensus as to when the fetus becomes a viable human being, none that I know of anyway. I’d say maybe when the brain really develops, personally.

They tend to be against any and all sex education, which includes the reproductive process. They think embryos have fingers and toes, so all of their propaganda involves photos of infants, or medical photos from third world countries which are actually late-term stillborns. It's insane. If they were forced to dig through a woman's period, looking for the microscopic fertilized egg, then they might get it, but most prefer to stay ignorant.

@HomeAloneSunday my brother’s mother-in-law is a retired nurse who worked for a while in a clinic that provided prenatal (and I assume postnatal) care, and she’d show her patients a case of little rubber fetuses and point out that they had heads and bodies so they’re fully human.

This same woman is a devout Catholic who derives inspiration from sitting and staring at bread in a cabinet. (Apparently that’s a thing.) She loves Trump because she thinks he’s going to undo Roe vs. Wade. I think my brother just avoids talking about these things with her to keep the peace.

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I object to the term, Pro-life. So that means everyone else is anti-life, or pro-death?

Moreover it implies that people actually care about “life” when they often have no concern about whether that child will have a place to live, food to eat, medical care, or parents who love or even want them.

@A2Jennifer Exactly

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