Yep. Makes all kinds of sense, doesn't it?

I mean it, we should just start killing rapists.

@KKGator Nope, way too quick and painless for mongrel-gutted Bastards as those, far, far better to make them suffer endlessly as they did to their victims imho.
My paternal Grandmother had a great idea for treating rapists, it involved nailing their man parts to a thick, wooden bench inside a wooden shed, handing them a very blunt knife just before you close and lock the door, then setting fire to the shed, i.e. IF they want to escape and live then they HAVE TO cut off their own man bits.
Being a male I can imagine quite vividly the absolutely unbearable agony using a blunt knife on those somewhat sensitive bits would cause, let alone the panic that would set in as the heat, flames and smoke began to fill the shed.
A very apt 'punishment' to my way of thinking.

@Triphid I like the way your grandmother thought, and it's an excellent form of punishment.
The options for ending them is pretty endless. I wasn't going for creativity though. Just expediency.

@KKGator Bugger the 'expediency' when it come to rapist, child abusers included here btw, go with the 'creativity' and add in the spectator value as well for the victims and their families I say.
It might add a whole new twist to the " I love the smell of Napalm in the Morning' thing....LOL.

In most, if not ALL cases, it is the Religious Lobbyists that apply pressure to the Governments to get their OWN agendas across and enacted into the Social Order.

@Deiter Same in Iowa. Yes, many of these anti choice folks are female, but the majority are males.

@Deiter I need a cross-eyed, exasperated emoji for this one.

Boxdoc, quite sad that you are not grasping the core issue here.

That's is some of the most convoluted bullshit I've read in a while.

Abortion is a necessary option for some women. Always has been.
As long as women have been getting pregnant, there have been
women who didn't want to remain that way, for whatever reason.
No woman should ever be forced to gestate a pregnancy she doesn't want, again, for whatever reason.

Unless and until you can get pregnant and gestate a pregnancy on your own, you don't get a vote. Even then, you only would get to decide for yourself, and no one else.

Life is NOT precious. Never has been. Never will be.
Saying it is, is wholly hypocritical.

If it were, wars would not be tolerated.
Starvation would not be tolerated.
Shitty education, and lousy foster care systems would not be tolerated.
Etcetera, etcetera, ad infinitum.
Don't even start with that bullshit about the sanctity of life.
There is no such thing.

@KKGator Those that cry about the sanctity of life and such are almost never consistent in their support of it. Either they also support the death penalty, wars of aggression and empire, as well as oppose social welfare programs to support poor children and their families. About the only ones I have ever seen that were consistent in supporting life at all stages were the Berrigan brothers, both Catholic priests who were longtime political activists for lefty causes. But they are both dead and none have ever replaced them in that regard on the pro-life side of the abortion debate.

@KKGator choosing not to remain pregnant and abortion are similar but not the same. 50 years ago they were practically the same but current technology if a woman didn't want to be pregnant any longer and was having a normal healthy pregnancy. It is entirely possible to induce labor, birth the child, and grow the child in the NICU for the remaining period. As early as 24 weeks. At some point even a zygote would be able to removed with destroying it. As such I can imagine a day when abortion laws change to choice to terminate pregnancy while attempting to save the fetus laws. Because by then abortion would be obsolete in regards to choice of not being pregnant

@TomMcGiverin It doesn't matter. They were men.
This has never been a "man's issue" because men can't get pregnant.
This has ALWAYS been a "control issue".
It doesn't matter what anyone has to say about it.
It's NONE of their business.

If men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be an issue.
Abortion clinics would be a every intersection, they'd be free, there would
be wings and beer served post-op, and there would be big screen TVs on every wall, showing "the game".
No offense to you, but fuck what men think about abortion.
They have no right to interfere.

@Biosteelman Says the man who will never face the prospect of an unwanted, unintended, or unsafe pregnancy.
It doesn't matter.
It will NEVER matter.
As long as women are the ONLY ones able to get pregnant and gestate a pregnancy, they are the ONLY ones who should be deciding for themselves, with NO interference, whether they will or not.
It doesn't matter what "science" says, it doesn't matter what religion says, it doesn't matter what the law says, and it doesn't matter what men say.

There is NO argument that makes it anyone's business.
None.

@KKGator it's a womans right to choose what's in her body. It isn't her right to dictate destruction when the two can be separated without destroying one. As a man, a real man I could very well face the prospect of a unwanted pregnancy. As I carry financial and familial responsibilities for my offspring. However despite that I never have nor should I have the choice of destroying another person to save my interests.
Theres an absolute argument that given the choice to terminate a pregnancy if a procedure exists that protect both mother and child it exceedingly should be the logical procedure. Only in the absence of that choice should abortion be used.

@Biosteelman I do not care what YOU (or any other man) thinks about the issue. I never will.
It's not a "person" until it's born. Period.
The woman is the ONLY one who should be making that decision.
I don't care what medical procedures exist.
I, and I alone, have the right to control what goes on inside my body.

No fetus is "owed" life.

Life is NOT "precious".

Again, you are a man. You will never face the prospect of becoming pregnant, and needing to make that decision for yourself.
It doesn't matter what you think.

@Biosteelman: Those "medical procedures", heroic surgical interventions and incubator/NICU care are still in historical infancy in terms of growing a human being able to fully thrive and function in all normal manner. Some fertilized eggs were not meant to survive. The medical world is seeing a baffling array of afflictions even at this point, which present as physical, chemical and psychological. Studies are underway to connect prenatal care, pre-term birth, C-section, toxic environments and artificial feeding influences. We don't know much when all we know are that vital signs are stable.

@KKGator so you're arguing from a baseless Ideological stand point. Which means logic, facts, science, and religion have no place. Making your stand point irrational and by my standards invalid. No better than the zealots you condemn for their blind following of their religion.

@KKGator, @tinkercreek hence I'm not proposing that at this moment all abortion should be obsolete. I do recognize that at half of the gestation period the chance of healthy development survival has increased significantly over the last 20 years. Meaning it's only a matter of time before a technology exists that makes abortion seem barbaric by standards.

@Biosteelman There is no "argument" to be had.
There is no "ideological standpoint". Your "standards" are irrelevant to me,
and whatever you feel about the subject.
This has nothing to do with religion.
It's not about "ideology". It's not "zealotry".
It's about none of what happens inside any woman's body being anyone's business.
It's not my fault you (and others) cannot accept that what any woman does with her own body does not concern you, no matter how badly you may want it to.
It is simply just none of your business.

@Biosteelman Again, how you feel about abortion doesn't matter.
You will never be faced with the prospect of needing or wanting one.
No amount of argument makes any difference. Not your business.

@KKGator that's an ideological standpoint not a logical one. You argued people need to get immunization shots where's your body autonomy there?

@Biosteelman Apples and oranges. Vaccinations protect the collective.
Abortion does not have anything to do with protecting society.
It is solely an individual matter.

It doesn't matter how you try to justify it.
Abortion is none of your business.

@KKGator body autonomy is body autonomy. You stated yourself "it's about what happens inside any womens body" you're boxed in a logic corner. You can't say people lose the right to body autonomy in the low likely preservation of another and then turn around and say a viable baby with a high or most likely chance of survival has no rights. Its illogical.

Abortion absolutely has something to do with protecting society. Not today but as more and more countries approach Japan and Sweden levels of population dwindling the States interest in preserving life becomes more imminent. Meaning she don't want it in her fine but the baby is removed and grown outside of her body. She loses no autonomy because she still dictates if the baby stays and grows inside her or if it is removed, under the assumption that removal would cause no greater harm to the person whom was pregnant.

@Seeker3CO
I was being sarcastic, sorry. I was supporting women knowing more about their body and what's important and necessary. That right wing wingnuts have no business in your body or decision making.

Abortion for many of these wingnuts is about power and control over a women and not the sanctity of any life.