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So sad to see this happening. Why people think we can afford to take in millions of refugees when we can't take care of our own people is mind boggling.

Captain_Feelgood 8 May 25
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Capt. Feelgood ... quit with the fearmongering BS

Correction--RACIST fearmongering BS.

Hmm... I'll ask you the same question as Pam. Are you saying the problem doesn't exist?

@MattChanning1 What's racist about this?

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This is a production of the Sinclair Broadcast group. I would not trust the source.

[nytimes.com]

Are you saying the problem doesn't exist?

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Without immigration we’d be near zero population growth and that’s where we need to be as we already have to many people.

It's "too many", not "to many". It looks like your knowledge of homophones is right in line with your knowledge of anything else.

The population of the United States is getting smaller, there is plenty of room, and you listen to Donald Trump too much.

@MattChanning1 … “It's "too many", not "to many". It looks like your knowledge….” Wow - tells me all I need to know about you ..Ahole 😉

Yup, too many… Cheap labor for the walled off Elite; foolishly ignored by insulated Progressives.. A consumption of resources, strained social safety net, environment and lost job opportunities for the rest of us ~

@Varn The word is "asshole", and if you don't have the courage to use the whole word, then don't pussy out with the abbreviation.

The jobs of which you speak aren't lost or stolen by the people in question.

They're OFFERED to people who will work for less than you will.

Funnily enough, I don't hear you or your idiot compatriots making any honking noises about the manufacturing jobs that are being shipped overseas.

Maximizing profits by lowering costs. It's called captialism.

@MattChanning1 You are a prick 😉 [How’s that? 😀] Your definition of ‘the people’ shifts on a whim. I’ve witnessed job loss from top to bottom, from both legal & illegal alien nationals.

...yah, yur floundering.. But, you’re the kind of arrogant leftist willing to toss away our standard of living in order to poke the other side in the eye. Not smart, funny, or cool… I agree where they get it right - and duke it out when they’re wrong. You’re simply wrong, in an ugly way ~

@MattChanning1 It’s obvious you’re here to hurl insults and name call. I’m not. So without looking at the other ‘replies’ you’ve added to my list, I feel comfortable avoiding them.

However, stooping to the level of your chosen opposition does not make you right, or familiar with their legitimate concerns. The incapability of viewing an issue outside it’s politicized parameters leaves you the equivalent of said opposition.

And given your sorry assumptions … you’ll not note your opposition ‘coming to my rescue’ … for they’ve learned I’m not a ‘team player’ regarding distortions of reality. Nope, you don’t know me.. But that’s OK … your bloated smirk ..and what I’ve read has added nothing to this issue but childish gibberish 🙂 Go fish ~

@Varn You and I are definitely in agreement on the immigration issue.

@Varn You stooped first.

I'm a prick, alright. I'm a prick among schmucks.

@Trajan61 Thanks for that.. I’ve this habit of calling things as I see them … and have watched both legal and Illegal immigration fester for decades. So much of what we progressives fight for is lost because of it, less impact on the land (conservation), expanded social services, less religion, affordable housing, healthcare, college, ‘replacement birth rates’... When resources become scarce, the infighting rats get vicious..

And, in this case, ‘the conservatives’ got it right. The methods in which the recent slowdown has been handled could have been better, but lancing a boil is never pretty. Honestly, I’ve witnessed a hideously ugly side from those I’d considered ‘my people’ regarding this issue.. With total disregard for the devastating effects of unlimited immigration ..they’ve become so desirous of pissing off ‘the other side’ - they’d cut off their nose to spite their face!

There’s a lot wrong with the world, and ‘my nation,’ but it appears ..as long as I’m upright… I’ll continue to be incapable of ignoring it. But I’ll leave the exchange above as ‘Exhibit A’ to the nastiness that too often spews from both sides..

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It just keeps happening… I think we took in over a million last year alone.. Cheap labor for one party, assumed low-class votes for the other. It’s the issue that put trump on the map and in the White House..

Varn Level 8 May 25, 2019

We took in nowhere close to a million refugess last year. Get your facts straight.

@MattChanning1 Over one million new ‘legalized US citizens’ is what I recently heard from either NPR or the BBC - argue with them. But I bet the Illegal count’s down.

@MattChanning1 Here, did some for you … here’s a count from “U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services” for 2017: “Each year, USCIS welcomes approximately 700,000 to 780,000 new citizens during naturalization ceremonies across the United States and around the world. In FY 2017 the agency naturalized more than 716,000 individuals.”

The NPR/ BBC interviewer and viewie both agreed on ‘last years immigration number as something like 1.1 million.’ But I don’t write this this stuff down ..as I don’t expect to be questioned. So, up substantially from the previous year.

Had also heard that for decades ‘we’ took in on average between 300 and 500 thousand new citizens each year. Apparently that’s increased, if under trump! Now if Illegals were added to these numbers … who knows how fast our nation’s filling up ..or overflowing. I have also heard we take in more legal immigrants than any other nation…

Having recently listened to trump stumble through his ‘immigration speech,’ I agreed with him. Researching the entry requirements for several industrialized nations … you don’t just hop their borders..

@MattChanning1 “Idiot”? Your attempt to nitpick semantics ...when it appears all others ‘get it’ makes your intentions obvious.. Assuming everyone concerned or justifiably upset over immigration numbers, be they legal or illegal - or stemmed from a perceived need or desire is another costly blunder on your part.

[since your profile wouldn’t be worth my effort checking out] Assuming you’re inside the USA, your mistaken reading of this issue put mr trump in our White House. As the far-left failed to consider this issue important enough to seriously address ..those ‘in the middle’ moved to the right.

Apparently, you’ve not been around here long enough to understand who you’re going after ...idiot ~

@Varn "Who I'm going after?"

Do you really have such an inflated view of yourself that you think you or your views matter any more than anybody else here?

"Who I'm going after?"

I needn't have been here very long to know I'm going after a self-important bullethead with an exaggerated view of where he and his deliberately misinformed opinions fit in on a website very few people know about.

@MattChanning1 Your a fucking idiot.

@Trajan61 The irony faerie never visits, does she? Nor the spelling gnome, either...

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We can afford to both take care of our own and help refugees.

We just don’t.

And let’s be honest. You gave less than a shit about “our own” until they became a convenient rationalization for not helping brown people.

I gave less than a shit? That's a bit assumptive, don't you think? 😒

@Captain_Feelgood Perhaps. But if my assertion weren't true, you wouldn't be bringing up "helping our own" as a rationale for not helping refugees. You'd be addressing it irrespective of the refugee situation.

There would be a video about poverty, hunger and homelessness, and not the stupid, racist piece of garbage you posted instead.

That you see the issue as an either/or proposition shows that I'm probably right. It also shows that you probably have no understanding of either subject, but still have managed to form an ill-conceived opinion about them.

I'm betting the subject of "our own" never crosses your mind unless it's in relationship to the subject of refugees.

Of course, you'll say that it does. But if it did, you'd know the resources to help both parties exist and aren't being used to help either.

It's been my experience that the people who use the situation of "our own" as a rationale to not help refugees are the same people who complain about people using SNAP benefits, or any of the various resources designed to help "our own".

Preemptively, take the self-righteous, fact-free horseshit you're bound to spew in response about SNAP and other social programs and jam it straight up your ass. Because that response will also reveal you don't care one whit about "our own".

That you posted what you posted at all is compelling evidence that I'm on the right track.

Also, the word you're looking for is "presumptuous", not "assumptive".

@MattChanning1 Nailed it...it is so easy to see through the bullshit...

@MattChanning1 Mmm,, no. First off: 'assumptive' is the correct word here. You wanted to assume I gave less than a shit about our own, because that would match up better with your fact-free predetermination of my stances on other issues. But that's not what's important here if you think about it. (Though I know it feeds your desire for some sense of superiority via trying to point out grammatical or word selection mistakes made by others. Perhaps some therapy would help your there.)
Second: Did you watch the same story I did? The whole thing was about 'poverty, hunger and homelessness', not to mention drug addiction and the lack of help being offered these people. And I don't remember them once talking about what race anyone was. Hell, most of the people I saw them talking about there were white. Now, if you're asserting that my claim of wanting to help our own before helping people from other countries is what is racist, then you have a skewed definition of racism. I don't care what color the illegal immigrant is, so race just doesn't play a factor in it at all. They could be the whitest of white from Finland for all I care. I want to see our tax dollars going to helping our sick, hungry, homeless and drug addicted Americans first. Our resources are already spread too thin as it is. Let's get a handle on our own problems first.

In conclusion here, it's obvious you're not really interested in having a meaningful discussion on the topic. You only wish to be augmentative because of a political bias, and to call people "stupid" or some other sophomoric, pejoratives label you choose to throw at somebody.
I don't block folks here, but I do remember them. And rest assured I'll remember not to bother reading anything you have to write. I wish you luck with that whole 'desire for superiority' issue. I hear they're doing wonders these days via some couch time with a good Therapist. Cheers

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I can't view youtube where I am but I assume you've watched the local production, "Seattle is Dying".
I can't equate this with the refugee situation.
In the 70's we took in 1000's of Vietnamese(remember the boat people?)...these were people whose lives were endangered by our ultimately botched southeast Asia policies. We recognized a moral responsibility for innocent people whose lives we ruined.
Somehow we disconnect the same situation in Central America today, where our "War on Drugs" has precipitated a militarization of the region with the resulting push-back of groups(gangs?) determined to supply Americans insatiable appetite for drug-induced escapism.
So we have 1000's of good, hard-working innocents whose lives are endangered by cartels and their enforcers that our policies have produced.
Vietnam and Central America are related consequences. Seattle vagrancy is unrelated.

Yeah, but people who create and post bilge like this are stupid assholes.

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I watched the entire, hour long programme. It certainly gives food for thought.
I don't really see a connection with taking in immigrants, but the effect of Seatle allowing rampant drug abuse whilst demoralising their law enforcers is horrific. The town has become a magnet for drug users and dealers from other states.

oh, but our esteemed leader has signed a bill to help with the drug problem...NOT

[vox.com]

@thinktwice Anybody who doesn’t have enough sense to avoid abusing the opioids doesn’t deserve our support so what are you talking about. We have too many people anyway.

@Trajan61 an elderly person who just had open heart surgery is prescribed opiod to help with the pain...

a veteran with an amputated leg is given opiods to deal with the pain

a child with a brain tumor is given opiods to deal with the pain

a mother of two is given opiods to deal with migraines that prevent her from caring for her children

You obviously have not educated yourself on the people who have become addicted...even your president knows it is an issue...

I agree, we have too many ignorant people....perhaps they should use their guns to off themselves...

Horrific, and largely fictional. Seattle has a drug problem, but no cops are suffering.

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Spending $0.67 of every US tax dollar on the military is the reason why America won't fully fund education, take care of the elderly, reduce homelessness, care for it vets, fix it crumbling infrastructure and cover everyone with healthcare.

Add to that corporations and rich people not paying their fair share... This is the dad state of affairs in America.

A country with our priorities will their most vulnerable citizens all the time... We can do all of what I mentioned.

We don't have the courage to do it.

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So sad to realize people actually believe we cannot afford to take care of our own when our largest corporations pay no taxes and the wealthiest Americans pay less than middle class families. How is it that our military budget is more than 1/3 of the world total military expenditures, but can't take care of our sick and injured veterans.

This entire concept is based on a false dichotomy. The United States could easily care for both groups if our government weren't motivated by selfishness and greed.

JimG Level 8 May 25, 2019

yep...it is a long period of this and the results are finally coming to show...

@Gwendolyn2018 Oh shit, you're right.

Our veterans deserve the best possible health care in the best hospitals and clinics in the US. Zero waiting for them. If it is complicated, we need to deny all health care for the members of the Senate and the Congress as long as they make this simple and immediate!

@zesty Australia has a system whereby anybody with assets (note assets, not merely income) exceeding a certain amount gets NO healthcare. I think it is currently around $750,000 Australian. Less than that has a sliding scale.
That would be interesting if applied in the USA.

@Petter I was just thinking of veterans.

@zesty They especially need care, as they are more prone to mental and/or physical problems, worsening with age.
I know!!!

@Petter Yes! In my opinion veterans should be able to go to any doctor or hospital as they wish and the government should pay for it.

Trump increased spending for veterans.

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The homeless problem was here long before the influx of immigrants so why hasn't it been addressed before now? It is because it is multi-dimensional...drug addiction, poverty, veterans and mental health issues, housing crisis, loss of employment...all of these things are internal issues the USA has not dealt with ...issues that neither parties have dealt with...

Immigrants are mostly people who come to work and make improvements in their lives...the amount of assistance they get dependents on whether they are here illegally or not...they pay taxes that they never see, so they are actually paying for some of their own assistance. As immigrants seeking to become citizens, they can't be criminals and they can't be drug addicts or else they lose out...

I agree, though, we have to address both...it is not pie...we don't have to pick one or the other to care about...

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Last months chicken little story

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I live half a country away and I could only make it through 13 minutes of this video. I grew up in Houston and have seen firsthand what these types of camps and, eventually, trashed and abandoned camps look like and smell like. I've been to SF, and I've been to San Diego which most people don't know is having a similiar issue, albeit on a smaller scale. If someone can watch even a fraction of this video and not feel a mix of disgust, anger, sadness, compassion, and pity, there's something wrong with them.

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